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Posted: 11-29-2008 06:15 PM  [ Ignore ]
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Today’s letters include:
Alarmists at work against Obama
Thanks for helping this stranger
Leaving beasthood of humanity
Racism: Our national shame
Structured loan for auto industry
Will have to blame Dems now
Life begins with DNA formation
Read The Full Story

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Posted: 11-30-2008 04:26 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 1 ]
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Mr. Edwards,
Obama for president is very alarming and for good reason and its not because of the color of his skin. Obama is a socialist and under the guise of liberalism he will move the country in that direction. Most people won’t even know what hit them until its too late.

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Posted: 11-30-2008 01:53 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 2 ]
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Our National shame? Wake up Mr.Fisher 400 yrs? This is not a national shame it is a world shame of all races. If you think that only one race is racist you are a blind fool. And if you think that racisum only exists in the USA you need to pull your head out. Do you think that reverend Wright is not racist? How long did Barack attend that church? You need to open your eyes to the whole picture not just your chosen few. This problem is world wide and has existed a lot longer that 400 yrs. So if you are going to comment on something make sure you cover the whole issue. No i am not racist and i think we are all created equal. So lets make sure everyone gets their share of the blame here.

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Posted: 11-30-2008 06:53 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 3 ]
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There is an interesting dichotomy in the Nov 29th letters to the editor.  Elsie Mullinaux equates life with physical form and Leland Mellott does exactly the opposite.

Jeremiah 1:5 states “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” Maybe life doesn’t begin at conception as Elsie Mullinaux postulates.

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Posted: 11-30-2008 08:56 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 4 ]
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Cross burnings

...Illegally obtaining and then making public the private, personal information of someone who dared ask Obama a question that, with Obama’s own answer, exposed his Socialist agenda.

Schoolchildren chanting ‘Assassinate Obama.’

...School children used in political advertising to guilt Americans into voting for Obama, school children chanting and singing praises to Obama.

Black figures hung from nooses

...College students in California hang a Sarah Palin effigy from a noose in West Hollywood, and no one makes them take it down.

Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars

...As many as 20 Virginia homes, businesses and vehicles vandalized in late October with spray painted/tagged anti-McCain statements and profanity.

Hmmm…

Racism is the shame of our American history and society.

It’s certainly one of them…

I’m embarrassed by a certain segment of the population that just can’t seem to grow up.

Mr. Fisher, I’m embarrassed by a certain segment of the population who just can’t see that discrimination not only goes beyond skin color, but that it is frequently racism in reverse.  Why is it that when all of the examples I provided above occurred, they weren’t news, but when it concerns our black President-Elect, it is?

Food for thought.

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Posted: 11-30-2008 09:54 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 5 ]
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I think that people that voted for Obama were really taken in by his campaign speeches, it certainly couldn’t be the socialism he is planning for this country. If there are those that are racist maybe its because he is 1/2 white, maybe the 1/2 black has nothing to do with it.

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Posted: 11-30-2008 09:57 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 6 ]
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Jo Roark - 30 November 2008 09:54 PM

Lets not forget that Obama is also 1/2 white.

So?

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Posted: 11-30-2008 10:33 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7 ]
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It goes both ways LU, I think that the people that are yelling racism are doing so because its convenient. People play on the fact that he is half black, they use it and its wrong. I don’t care if the president is pink as long as he can do the job

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Posted: 11-30-2008 10:42 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 8 ]
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Jo Roark - 30 November 2008 10:33 PM

It goes both ways LU, I think that the people that are yelling racism are doing so because its convenient. People play on the fact that he is half black, they use it and its wrong. I don’t care if the president is pink as long as he can do the job

Oh, I totally agree that there is now, and has been for sometime, a faction of Obamaites who throw racism in your face if you didn’t vote for Obama and if you aren’t falling all over him now.  AAMOF, I think I was called a racist by another poster in the forum for stating I would never vote for Obama.

For me, race has zero to do with why I didn’t vote for him - the majority of my blood relatives are African-American.  Obama playing the race card over and over again during the election (and his followers doing the same then and even still) *IS* an issue for me.  A BIG issue.

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Posted: 12-01-2008 02:51 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 9 ]
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This whole thing is going to tear this country apart which is the way of the world, divide and conquer and we are falling right into it. The ruling class knows exactly what they are doing and so many Americans don’t even have a clue.

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Posted: 12-02-2008 07:02 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 10 ]
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Would someone seriously give me some shred of credible information on how it is Obama is a socialist lol? He sure doesn’t seem remotely like Stalin or Castro disguised as a democrat looking to move America into a socialist communist dictatorship where he has overall power, sounds a bit far fetched, everyone suddenly knows this because of his answer to Joe the Plumber lol? His answer that was taken highly out of context? Seriously what is so bad about spreading the wealth in the form of taxes around?  In the form of a %3 tax increase to people and companies that make over $250,000 a year? Perhaps if that way of “spreading the wealth” is a socialist way of thinking, perhaps one might suggest taxing the major of American’s who fit into the working class, a number of which are having troubles due to our ever spiraling economy. I mean seriously lol, Obama a socialist??  That’s as far fetched as someone saying Palin did’nt give birth to her baby with down syndrome, and that her daughter did lol.

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Posted: 12-02-2008 07:30 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 11 ]
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Kudos for the dissenting opinion dj.  I was starting to feel like I was in an echo chamber.

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Posted: 12-02-2008 10:40 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 12 ]
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Obama has declared that he believes every person has a “right” to health care. The Socialist Party USA believes every person has a “right” to health care.

Obama believes that labor unions should be allowed to organize without a secret ballot. The Socialist Party USA calls for unions to be recognized without a secret ballot.

The Socialist Party USA recognizes the “right” of adequate housing for everyone. Obama trained ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) workers to secure mortgages for unqualified people in sufficient numbers to collapse the housing and home-financing industries.

The Socialist Party USA believes that “capitalism is fundamentally incompatible” with socialism. For years, Obama worked in Chicago through the Annenberg Challenge, along with Bill Ayers, to funnel more than $50 million to anti-capitalist education projects. In November 2006, Ayers traveled to Venezuela to speak at Hugo Chavez’s Education Forum where he railed against “the failings of capitalist education,” and praised the “Bolivarian Revolution and the profound reforms in education made by Hugo Chavez.”

The Socialist Party USA believes in open borders and six-months residency as the only requirement for U.S. citizenship. Obama marched with illegal aliens in Chicago in support of “comprehensive” immigration reform.

The Socialist Party USA calls for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Obama says, “I will end this war,” with never a reference to “winning” or “victory.”

The Socialist Party USA calls for the “unconditional disarmament” by the United States. Obama has promised to dramatically reduce defense spending.

The Socialist Party USA calls for a “livable guaranteed annual income.” Obama trained ACORN members to conduct “Living Wage” campaigns in cities around the country.

The Socialist Party USA calls for a “steeply graduated” tax policy to redistribute wealth. Obama has promised to increase the tax burden on the rich to redistribute wealth to the poor. He revealed his philosophy when answering a question from Joe the plumber, who complained that he was being taxed for his success. Obama said:

It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.

This list of comparisons could be quite long. This is sufficient to reveal an unmistakable similarity between Obama’s political beliefs and the beliefs of the Socialist Party USA. The tragedy is that Obama’s supporters don’t care. In fact, many of his supporters are delighted that he promises to usher in a new era of socialism, and push the memory of capitalism further into history.

Socialists, who are in perpetual revolution, who believe that the end justifies the means, have worked through educational institutions, non-government organizations such as ACORN and by electing socialists to public office to silence teaching the virtues of free enterprise, capitalism, private property, individual responsibility and personal achievement. For nearly two generations, students have been fed a steady diet of socialism under a variety of disguises, including Outcome Based Education, No Child Left Behind, School-to-Work and a host of other “feel good” slogans.

Students and young adults no longer know why capitalism is better than socialism. Like Obama, young people really believe that when government redistributes wealth, “it’s good for everybody.” They do not realize that wealth redistribution is no substitute for wealth creation. They are never taught that the only way to create wealth is for an individual to combine his energy and intellect with resources to produce a product that improves his life, or for which someone else is willing to pay.

Private property, the accumulation of personal prosperity and individual achievement are anathema to socialism. Socialism sees the individual as nothing more than a cog in a government-run machine designed to ensure equity for all.

Capitalism seeks prosperity; socialism seeks equity. Freedom increases as prosperity increases. In a socialist system, there can be neither.

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Posted: 12-03-2008 12:01 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 13 ]
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As for Joe the Plumber it is up to the people behind him to make their own success and not hang off of the coat tails of Joe. What do you think is going to happen when Joe the Plumber smartens up and realizes that the harder he works the more he has to give up instead of enjoying his success? Might just as well go on welfare and live off of the coat tails of someone else, right?

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Posted: 12-03-2008 12:10 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 14 ]
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The Socialist Party USA only has 1800 members and had their own candidate for president. They didn’t support Obama. I know Obama may be too liberal for many but it’s not the catastrophe some are painting and it may turn out he’s not as liberal as you think. He has courted the liberal left in this election just like McCain courted the conservative right.

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Posted: 12-03-2008 12:25 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 15 ]
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Jo Roark - 03 December 2008 12:01 AM

As for Joe the Plumber it is up to the people behind him to make their own success and not hang off of the coat tails of Joe. What do you think is going to happen when Joe the Plumber smartens up and realizes that the harder he works the more he has to give up instead of enjoying his success? Might just as well go on welfare and live off of the coat tails of someone else, right?

If joe the plumber smartened up he’d realize he’s just bought himself a job. He’ll fund his own retirement, pay his own Social Security and health insurance. If joe the plumber smartened up he’d join the union, the people who brought you the week end, and go to work for joe the capitalist.

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Posted: 12-03-2008 12:39 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 16 ]
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Joe Roark’s long post above is just copied from an article on Enter Stage Right website titled Is Obama a socialist? by Henry Lamb web posted October 20, 2008

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Posted: 12-03-2008 01:49 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 17 ]
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Turtle Dove,
Ahhh, you are doing your homework, good for you! You’re right and he’s right :)

People can’t go to work for Joe the capitalist in a socialist society because there are no more capitalists.

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Posted: 12-03-2008 01:56 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 18 ]
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Just because someone doesn’t like Obama does not automatically mean they like McCain, I didn’t vote for either.

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Posted: 12-03-2008 03:14 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 19 ]
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Jo Roark - 03 December 2008 01:49 AM

Turtle Dove,
Ahhh, you are doing your homework, good for you! You’re right and he’s right :)

People can’t go to work for Joe the capitalist in a socialist society because there are no more capitalists.

Tell that to the Chinese. There is a whole lot of grey out there in the real world. Don’t paint everything with such a broad brush.

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Posted: 12-03-2008 11:35 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 20 ]
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Henry Lamb is a right wing extremist. Period. For JR to publish his work without quotations or assigning credit is PLAGARISM (kinda like lying). Last, Lamb makes a lot of assumptions and out right lies about Mr. Obama and his relationship to Acorn and of Acorn’s actual activities. That Acorn collapsed the economy by securing subprime loans is ridiculous. LENDERS seeking fast profits (greed the motive) caused this collapse - NO one could FORCE them to make these risky loans. Last, in real military and political terms, there is no “winning” an occupation, which happens to be the status of our military presence in Iraq. Obama was and is right on this issue. Interesting that the Bush administration just agreed to a withdrawal from Iraq with a definitive timeline. Must be another “socialist”, heh JR. I better go now and check under all our beds to ensure there are no socialist boogie men about!!

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