Slavery...you are entitled to your opinion regardless of how ridiculous it is.  I never said anything bad about “mexicans”. I said bad things about CRIMINALS.  A criminal is a criminal, just so happens the CRIMINALS involved in this crime are latin (or whatever the correct term du jour is). 

Go ahead and call me all the names you want to and keep on waving the race card since it seems to make you feel better.

Will you people please use the spell check option on your computer?  I can only guess at what your point is because I can only read a third of your post.  Sentence structure would also help.

Yes, times are changing. Shooting people for giving dirty looks has not been a part of Skagit Valley culture in the past. I remember one time, my cousin pulled out a shotgun to protect himself when some bullies followed him home on a Friday night, but he didn’t shoot them.  He waved the gun, and they left. The police came by to follow up, but realized that it was legal to wave a gun at trespassers on your own property. In the past year, we’ve had 3 shootings that I can remember without trying: a pedestrian shot at a motorist at the corner of 18th and College Way, a truckload of men shot at a crowd in the parking lot at the Moose Lodge, and this shooting in Burlington.  Each of the shooters was of latin heritage.  Is that a racist comment or is it a summary of events? The culture of Skagit Valley has changed because of the influx of Mexican immigrants. Is that racist to say? If yes, what makes it so?

Have I hinted that there is something evil about Mexican people? I hope not, because that is not my opinion. If you read my post with a poisoned heart, then you might think so, but my words will not justify your feelings. Is there anybody from Mexico that would disagree that the culture of Mexico is more violent and sexual than the traditional culture of the Skagit Valley?  Our culture is bound to change with the recent influx of immigrants from Mexico. It has happened to every farming community that hires immigrant laborers.  Is the solution to stop hiring immigrant laborers? Maybe.  Should Skagitonians work their own fields?  I think so.

Perfectly said Kim.  Especially the point about the poisoned heart.

lets get this story straight! Walter was not a gang member he was a friend to people of many walks of life race and religions.

The fight in the bar started due to this stupid Caucasian ##### NIOLE instigated it between two groups of people in a restaraunt. Nicole was with the Menchaca group and aproached the Villanueva group to instigate the fight. and then kept calling the Villanuevas for a ride after the drama and TOOK walter because francisco was at the HOSPITAL!, to alder street where Walter was SHOT.

many familis have been deeply affected by the loss of walter not only the Villanuevas but also the Menchacas and the Ugaldes, nothing will ever be the same for any of them especially the children who have in one way or another have lost their fathers, and the privlage of having a loving and caring father in there lives because of one moment of stupidity.

Walter we love and miss you,

- your family

i understand were you coming from but i can tell you this that nicole was not with menchaca i know that for a fact i know you as the family of the one who was lost i am sorry but everyone is taking their hate out on the wrong person all this dumb stuff in skagit county needs to stop this was a siuation were the older brother was trying to get the little one out of trouble mabe fransico needs to get his life together because they said that he was the one that was fighting at the bar that night and from what i here hes still running around doing the same thing and for the rest of these guy your only hurting the people around you their the ones who have to be left with the griving pain so stop all your stupied stuff and get your lifes together and i think that this nicole girl should had been some what to blame started the fight and then bringing these guys to mechacas residents i thank thats just not right and what is she out doing most likely causing problems

sorry but Nicole was with the group of people manchaca was drinking with when the villanueva group arived. she came over and stated the problums. As for Francisco his life is not the same and he is not doing the same things he was up to before, In my beleive if Nicole was not in to constantly instagating thing this never would have happened.  I did not say Nicole was with Manchaca.  I too freel all the #### needs to stop and everyone act intelligently. But only the people invalved know the reasoning behind all there stupiedy.

ms13 white - 21 October 2008 05:50 PM

I too freel all the #### needs to stop and everyone act intelligently. But only the people invalved know the reasoning behind all there stupiedy.

Seriously? Someone with a screen name including “ms13” is saying all this stupidity needs to stop? And act intelligently? The first thing that needs to stop is ms13, as long as you are connected with ms13 or any other gang out there, the “act intelligently” part can’t ever happen for you. Stand on your own, and be peaceful.

Just becuse the screen name is ms13 dont meen that I am invvolved in ms13.  And im sure there are lots of gang members out there that feel its time ai all comes to an end not all gang members are hard core. There are plenty of good people that are mixed up in gangs and just dont know how to get out, its not allways as easy as people think.  The screen name is the only thing that caught your attention, I am not affilated with any gang and do stand on my own, and have for many years. Dont judge people till you know them.

Good to hear you are not affiliated. You’re right that I shouldn’t judge unless i meet you, however you can’t expect to have ms13 as your screen name and then not have that conclusion drawn. If you aren’t part of it, why have it in your name???

And you are also right that there are probably some good people mixed up in gangs, but not many, and everybody, easy or not, gets to make choices and is responsible for the choices they make.