Not that I know when to quit..just have better things to do on a weekend than sit at the computer.  As I suspected rather than give tangible evidence as to why not flouride in the water you’ve stuck with personal attacks against anyone questioning your stance.  So, as I do decide to quit this post I’ll part by stooping to that same level in acknowledging that you must be one of those “tolerant” liberals that are tolerant as long as you agree with them.  Perhaps your inability to logically present an arguement rather than throw bogus hysteria around posing as factual is because you had one to many bad acid trips in the 60’s.  Now..I’m quitting.

See Don, he’s talking like a true pro fluoride soldier and he runs like one too..

watch dog - 16 June 2008 02:02 PM

Not that I know when to quit..just have better things to do on a weekend than sit at the computer.  As I suspected rather than give tangible evidence as to why not flouride in the water you’ve stuck with personal attacks against anyone questioning your stance.  So, as I do decide to quit this post I’ll part by stooping to that same level in acknowledging that you must be one of those “tolerant” liberals that are tolerant as long as you agree with them.  Perhaps your inability to logically present an arguement rather than throw bogus hysteria around posing as factual is because you had one to many bad acid trips in the 60’s.  Now..I’m quitting.

Don’t act like such a big baby, watch dog. You’re just angry because you were called on your bull, which continued into your above post. If you feel that you have suffered personal attacks by me, then click on “[Report]" and report me. You won’t because I haven’t.

Indeed, all I did was to point out that you misrepresented news reports in the former Evening Capital and the Chicago Sun-Times as showing bias. I then went on to prove that the ADA’s Fluoride Facts page is out of date and that at least one of its references is difficult if not impossible for the average person to verify.

You now claim that I gave no “tangible evidence” as to why fluoride does not belong in the drinking water supply. To the contrary, I pointed you to the National Research Council’s findings and the National Kidney Foundation’s change of heart on its long-standing endorsement of water fluoridation. Not only that, I produced the abstract from a clinic study that is published online at a National Institutes of Health web site, which validates concerns over the effects of fluoridated water on the thyroid gland. How much logically presented argumentation does it take to see you satisfied, watch dog?

Far from being a liberal — tolerant or otherwise — my attitude toward forced medication by so-called boards of health happens to be on the libertarian side. You should keep in mind that the United States is not a democracy, where anything goes provided that a simple majority approves. Our form of government was established as a Constitutional Republic, in which the individual has certain unalienable rights. From the look of things, a person with an allergy to peanuts has far more rights than does someone who reacts badly to ingested fluoride. For many, an upset stomach and digestive tract can last for days after swallowing any of a fluoride rinse given by mistake at the dentist’s office.

>>But, to say there is no scientific research being done to support the ADA’s claim is not true in the least bit.<<

There is truth and then there is truth with the facts.  The ADA does claim that fluoride helps to harden teeth in CHILDREN so the teeth are less likely to get dental decay. 

The ADA DOESN’T claim that the type of fluoride used in WATER TREATMENT plants prevents cavities.  Dental-grade fluoride is NOT what the two Skagit County Commissioners are demanding that our PUD dump into our drinking water.  That fluoride is a toxic waste by-product from fertilizer and aluminum factories.  Hexafluorosilicic acid is NOT dental fluoride.  It would be nice if our two clueless commissioners knew that fact.

How bizarre it is, Lee, that the state is concerned with the amount of arsenic in well water when the so-called Board of Health wants to add it to the drinking water that comes from Judy Reservoir. Go figure…

Lee,
The commissioners do know where the fluoride comes from, they have been told many times over, they simply don’t care.

Being told and comprehending can be two different things, Jo. I don’t think Dahlstedt or Munks comprehend the vast difference between dental-grade fluoride and commerical waste by-product fluoride.

Maybe they can comprehend how convenient it is for a company to dump a waste by-product into water reservoirs instead of having to pay to have it properly disposed of? One can only hope they smarten up quick.

Lee,
This process has been explained to them time and time again through public and private meetings and also through a considerable amount of literature and DVD’s. Paul Connett was invited to speak here several years ago, both Munks and Dahlstedt were invited to attend, neither one of them showed up. They have been made aware of all of the dangerous side effects, that according to the ADA fluoride is harmful for babies, believe me they are not naive to the facts. You see, this push for fluoridation started 2 years before the public even found out about it. They were trying to quietly push it through.
There was a public meeting at the PUD last night allowing everyone in the community to voice their concerns about fluoridation. Bill Osmunson was there as a speaker as well. This was another golden opportunity for the County Commissioners to hear the facts and listen to public opinion, and again, they didn’t bother to show up. Fluoridation is a huge issue and if I was a county commissioner I would want to hear what my constituents had to say, I would want to know what is on their minds.

I grew up in a different state which had floudide in the water. I never heard of anyone dying from it and it never caused illness that I was able to catch wind of. Sounds like a bunch of belly aching over nuttin.

newaroundhere - 27 June 2008 03:50 PM

I grew up in a different state which had floudide in the water. I never heard of anyone dying from it and it never caused illness that I was able to catch wind of. Sounds like a bunch of belly aching over nuttin.

Then I suggest that you actually read the links I have provided. Here is one more to bring you up to speed: Why EPA Headquarters Union of Scientists Opposes Fluoridation. Please pay attention to the footnote citations. They dispell the myth that there is no scientific evidence of fluoridation’s malevolent effects.

I know that in the FAQ section of the web site for pro-fluoridation Citizens for a Healthy Skagit, it is claimed that ”EPA unions address standard labor - management issues, such as sick leave, promotions, workers compensation, etc.  They have no role with regard to U.S. EPA scientific policy.”

This will probably come as quite a surprise to J. William Hirzy, Ph.D., the Senior Vice-President for the National Treasury Employees Union Chapter 280. Dr. Hirzy also sat on the National Research Council panel that turned out the 2006 report, Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA’s Standards.

Now, if “Healthy Skagit” has no shame in misrepresenting Dr. Hirzy’s qualifications, in what other areas are they not being truthful?

One other thing… If you have been exposed to fluoridated water for any length of time, I would have your endocrine system function checked out by a medical doctor who specializes in “leading edge medicine” — not one who relies on standard blood panels to access your overall health. That was my mistake and it nearly sent me to an assisted living facility. Not everyone has a sensitivity to fluoride compounds. However, there are a lot of people out there being fed a steady diet of Prozac, Zoloft, and other fluoride-containing antidepressants, when they are actually suffering from thyroid, adrenal, pineal, and pituitary gland dysfuction.

I’m fine and healthy. I take no pills and neither do my parents (who also grew up in the same state with the same water). I read everything and its packed with “facts” that are not impartial and though they have scientific citations they dont have a way to check those without a ton of searching in places I would have no idea where to look. I had fluoridated water for the first 25 years of my life, I’m pretty sure I’m a-ok. But that aside, why fix something that isnt broken? The water taste pretty good to me??