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Posted: 08-03-2008 04:23 PM  [ Ignore ]
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ROCKPORT – One shot and lives were changed for ever.

A teenaged hunter on Sauk Mountain Saturday took aim at the figure about 120 yards away and pulled the trigger.

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Posted: 08-04-2008 04:05 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 1 ]
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Pamela Almli loved hiking the Sauk Mountain trails, her grieving husband said Sunday, and that’s where she was when she was shot by mistake by a young bear hunter.

“She was a wonderful person,” said William Almli of his 54-year-old wife. “We hiked up there all the time. She loved the outdoors, hiking … cross-country skiing.”

“All I can say is that it never should have happened,” Almli said in a telephone interview with the Skagit Valley Herald from his home in Oso. “I have to say that I’m feeling bitter about this.”
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Posted: 08-04-2008 06:41 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 2 ]
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This is a terrible tragedy for the deceased, the families of the deceased and the hunter(s).  My hope is that this is handled properly by Fish & Game and SCSO and that Mrs. Almi’s husband channels his grief appropriately and not in a vengeful manner.

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Posted: 08-04-2008 11:35 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 3 ]
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Its being reported that he had taken the required classes...its needs to register

He forgot one of the very very basic rules…

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Posted: 08-04-2008 11:52 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 4 ]
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The 14-year-old hunter who accidentally shot a woman on Sauk Mountain Saturday was not in the immediate presence of an adult as was reported earlier.

The Skagit County Sheriff Department’s report said the teenager was with a 16-year-old relative and accompanied by at least one adult.

However, Chief Crime Deputy Will Reichardt clarified today that the grandfather dropped the boys off in the area but waited in the car while they hunted.
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Posted: 08-05-2008 01:28 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 5 ]
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very tragic indeed,how could you make a mistake like that,It’s either a bear or not a bear, but you never shoot until you can identify what your looking at!! Was it dark out or at least before actual sunrise?I wonder if he was drug tested? i understand he was from Concrete. I never did read how old he was, just that the shooter was a juvenile,

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Posted: 08-05-2008 02:24 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 6 ]
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He is 14 years old and I happen to know the boy. It’s sad yes on both parts. When you go out on a trail and your an avid hiker you should be aware of hunting seasons, let alone be walking off the trail, common sense wear a orange jacket so that the hunters in the area can identify you. Yes he was eager to get a bear. He was taught very well how to hunt. I know the family and I know that they were taking what they needed to be out there, and were looking for the right sights. And hello don’t bend down off the trail especially humped over, do that on the regular trail. Think about the kid, he is going to blame himself and live a life that is going to be hell for him. Yes it’s a tragedy but, it happened.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 02:58 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7 ]
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Dear Simply Put:
Yes it’s horrible, mostly for the wife and mother of 2 who will never go home because the boys grandpa thought it was a good idea to drop the kids off to play hunter. With real guns. I see 16 yr olds who have had driving instruction and when out of sight of authority do some incredibly stupid and dangerous things.
You’re right, this incident can’t be changed, but the minds of the upriver folk who stick a rifle in the hand of a 14 year old and tell him to go play hunter should change.

In your words… ummmm HELLO!

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:19 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 8 ]
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Excuse me! You need to know the complete circumstances before you start talking. You act like I don’t know what I am talking about. And as for the grandfather who left them alone, and like the paper says, there is no law requiring them to be with an adult. Especially the fact that both of the boys are very responsible, and have been hunting since they were very young. Yes its horrible that a mother, wife and friend will never go home. But do you realize how horrible that the teen boys must feel. They have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and the guilt. This is something that people commit suicide over.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:22 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 9 ]
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Dear Mya Pinion,
excuse me, they weren’t “playing hunter”...they in no way were playing.  It’s called an accident.  i know the boys personally, and i know that in no way would they ever want to take a life intentionally.  the boys that were up on that mountain are very responsible hunters, and frankly it could have been any hunter pulling the trigger, in this case it just happened to be a minor.  both parties are to blame here, so lets not point the finger at one person or the other.  and i would put a lot of blame on the state as well...why on earth would they allow that to be a hunting zone so close to trails crawling with hikers this time of year.  i blame the state entirely for closing off more practical hunting areas and forcing hunters into more populated areas. 

as for simply put:
rock on...i agree with you entirely.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:28 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 10 ]
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Thank you C-rauch. I completely agree that the state has a lot to do with this accident. I love how people always point the finger. It’s really sad.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:32 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 11 ]
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it’s not a problem simply put.  what we need to do right now is band together and support both the family of the hunters and the family of the victim.  it’s a very devastating tragedy on both parts.  it’s sad how some people just don’t understand that.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 04:36 AM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 12 ]
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how can this boy be called a responsible hunter,he just killed a woman he thought was a bear,gimme a break, she was bent over on the trail and she should know the seasons,this kid pulled the trigger on something he couldn’t identify, at least i pray to God that’s how it happened, very tragic, but please let’s not call him a responsible hunter,when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, he broke one of the NRA’s big rules,he pulled the trigger before he knew what he was shooting at. end of the story

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Posted: 08-05-2008 12:43 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 13 ]
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Of course you’re right Simply Put.. It’s a HORRENDOUS situation for a child to be in. Which is why you will never convince me that it’s wise to put a deadly weapon in the hand of a child. It’s legal. True. But maybe the laws should (and perhaps, now will) change.

Why not teach a boy to fish if he must learn to kill something? They’re edible, and you never hear of deadly fishing accidents, do you?

Honestly, my heart and sympathies go to the families on both sides.
You can’t take it back. That’s the insidious thing about a bullet.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 01:19 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 14 ]
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Sorry, but I’ve been a hunter for many years and there is no way a responsible hunter would make this mistake. I also can tell you there was no way I’d be out there without my father when I was 14, even after having hunted for years. You simply have to know what your looking at before you pull the trigger. I can’t fathom how anyone would shoot without being 100% certain, and I’m not sure how you could even be wondering if that shape in a blue rain slicker might possibly be a bear. Yes, tragic for all involved, but the fault lies with the hunter, not the state, and not someone hiking who bent over. I do agree that it’d be prudent to wear hunter orange, but most don’t think this though and the lack of hunter orange hardly constitues a reason for blame. And the State, why is it that people always look for someone to blame (and probably pay some $’s) when something bad happens. Give me a break, this isn’t the States fault. This one lies squarely on the sholders of the hunter who pulled the trigger, and the teachers of this young boy who didn’t do thier job in teaching him to identify before shooting, and the parents who sent him out there with a gun.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 01:50 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 15 ]
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What is your definition of the case being “handled properly?” How do you suggest that William Almli “channel his grief appropriately?”

I have absolutely nothing against responsible hunters who wish to put food on the table. However, it would appear that a wife, mother, and grandmother is now dead because of kids who obviously retained nothing from their firearms training on when to hold off on pulling the trigger. The 14-year-old wanted to kill something and it seems as though that was his top priority.

I have heard from people who blame Pamela Almli for not being aware that hunters might be in the area. That is a twisted line of reasoning that shifts the focus away from where it belongs and adds only further grief to the victim’s family. I don’t care how the kids feel.

The bottom line is that if you point a firearm at anyone or anything, you had damned well better know what you are doing before you squeeze the trigger. There was clearly negligence on the part of shooter. End of story.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 02:14 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 16 ]
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Perhaps charges of negligent homicide will get the attention of those irresponsible hunters who shoot at anything that moves. A lot of good hunters are going to get a bad rap because of a kid’s lapse in judgment and the excuses that are being made in his defense.

CitzenSkagit, some people are lumping you in with the mentality of Elmer Fudd, suggesting that this type of “accident” could happen to anyone who hunts. An accident is when you drop your keys or spill a glass of milk. The killing of this woman was preventable and without reason.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 02:57 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 17 ]
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Prehaps it would be appropriate for strong warnings to be posted at trailheads in areas where hikers are likely to be encountered by unsupervised minors with high-powered weapons. The Almli family might still be whole and happy if the victim in this case had been warned she might end up the target in a (apparently legal) shoot first, ask questions later situation.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:04 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 18 ]
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Gee I guess I must have a Elmer fudd mentality myself, I pretty much agree with CitizenSkagit!! You gotta have him mixed up with SimplyPut,I mean simply put, he’s the one, for some wierd reason is findind faults with the victims posture on the trail etc.This poor women is in no way at fault,simply put!!!

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:06 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 19 ]
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Don Johnson: What is your definition of the case being “handled properly?”

Rumor control, thorough investigation. leaving no stone unturned.  This has become a media-focused case, so I imagine that SCSO and Fish and Wildlife will mind their P’s & Q’s.

Don Johnson: How do you suggest that William Almli “channel his grief appropriately?”

Why do I feel like you are looking for a fight here? 

From what I’ve seen the husband is obviously in the anger phase of grieivng.  My hope is that he moves through that phase in a healthy manner and doesn’t hang onto it too long.  Anger in such a situation brings feelings of a need for vengence.  IMO, being reactive will do no one any good.

Don Johnson: I have absolutely nothing against responsible hunters who wish to put food on the table.

Bear hunting in 2007 is “putting food on the table”? 

Don Johnson: However, it would appear that a wife, mother, and grandmother is now dead because of kids who obviously retained nothing from their firearms training on when to hold off on pulling the trigger. The 14-year-old wanted to kill something and it seems as though that was his top priority.

It would appear that way, yes.  But, since neither of us are involved in the case (I’m assuming you aren’t), appearances could be all wrong.  From personal experience, I can tell you that I have stood in the Sauk Mountain trailhead parking lot with four other fully sober adults and watched what we all thought was a bear lumbering down the trail.  After about two to three minutes of observation, I pulled out binoculars and could see that the “bear” was actually a human wearing dark clothing.  That was on a clear, sunny day.  Saturday morning at 10am when the shooting incident occured, the mountain was foggy, cloudy, and it was drizzling.

Appearances in such a location can be deceiving.

Don Johnson: I have heard from people who blame Pamela Almli for not being aware that hunters might be in the area. That is a twisted line of reasoning that shifts the focus away from where it belongs and adds only further grief to the victim’s family.

Agreed - that is stupid thinking.  Personally, my feeling is that legal or not, it was stupid of anyone to be hunting and shooting in a direction where people might be.  The fact is, teenagers often don’t think of consequences in such instances.  It’s possible, I suppose, that if the adult who brought them there had been with them, he might have taken the trail and likelihood of people in the vicinity into consideration.

My hope is that because of this incident, there will be a change in hunting laws regarding the minimum age for hunting unsupervised by an adult and hunting in recreational areas.

Don Johnson: I don’t care how the kids feel.

Hmmm...that’s too bad.  But your lack of feeling for the kids *is* a symptom of the kind of society we live in today.  Vaccuum-like, uncompassionate, reactive, angry. 

Those kids may or may not have to face legal consequences for what has happened, but they will have to live their entire lives with the knowledge that they ended someone else’s life unnecessarily.  If the proper care is not taken, one or both of these kids could end up irreparably harmed emotionally and psychologically from this whole incident.  I hardly think that if Mrs. Almli had survived she would want to see two young lives ruined for an undeterminate amount of time over something that was completely accidental and unintentional.

Don Johnson: The bottom line is that if you point a firearm at anyone or anything, you had damned well better know what you are doing before you squeeze the trigger. There was clearly negligence on the part of shooter. End of story.

“Clearly”?  Now you’re playing judge and jury without knowing all the facts of the case.  That kind of thinking is as stupid as the thinking of those who say the deceased is to blame.  The truth is, when human lives and emotions and thoughts and actions are involved, nothing is ever so black and white that we can safely say “end of story” so early on.

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Posted: 08-05-2008 03:23 PM  [ Ignore ]  [ # 20 ]
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Oh wow! Ok so I am not completely blaming either side here. It was lack of judgement completely on both parts. The reason why I say that the state is at fault is the fact that they have put a hunting area where they know that hundreds of people go hiking every summer. I have lived here my whole life. As far as the hunter orange, come on any avid hiker coming out to a remote area like Rockport should consider, at least I would think, to be better prepared. Not being on the actual trail in the first place, ten minutes off if you are going to be precise in reading the paper, as well as yes it was poor judgemnt on the teen to just point and shoot, although visibility played a huge part in this, as well as not to be mean she wasn’t a small person. And wearing dark clothes isn’t very smart. Think of it this way a football field in between you and a person as well as fog and rainy weather, throw some trees in there and you have the situation perfectly. Now throw in the anxiousness of the boy and his brother (which I know personally) and you have the scenario. These boys as well as their family have been hunting for several years, they do go fishing as well as many other things. These boys had taken the Hunter Safety Course. Everything that they needed to was done. And yea maybe I am completely sympathetic to this family, as well as the victim. That’s my opinion and I have a right to that. Just as you all have a right to your own opinion. I can tell you one thing though, if this comes down to it going to court, I will be there for this family.

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