by Staff Report
A last-minute lawsuit filed by Saving Pets One at a Time has stalled a court order to release 28 dogs back to their Big Lake owner, who is now criminally charged with animal cruelty.
Kris Finch was supposed to have 28 of the 40 dogs returned to her by Tuesday after a judge ruled March 9 that part of a Jan. 21 search warrant seizing dozens of animals from her property was too broad.
The Skagit County Sheriff’s Office was preparing to round up the 28 dogs to return to Finch Tuesday afternoon — the deadline for the court order — when SPOT’s attorney filed a lawsuit in Skagit County Superior Court placing a lien against Finch and Skagit County.
The lien asks for more than $20,000 for the costs of caring for Finch’s animals since the raid.
On Jan. 21, the Sheriff’s Office seized all but one of Finch’s dogs and two ponies from her Big Lake property after searching her house and barn. An animal control officer was concerned for the welfare of the animals, some of which were housed in small crates and others emaciated. The animals are housed with the animal rescue organization SPOT and scattered in various foster homes in the area.
After her 40 dogs and two ponies were seized, Finch petitioned Skagit County District Court to get them back. At that time, she had not been criminally charged.
After hours of testimony on both sides, Judge David Svaren said the search warrant that he issued was too broad and should not have included the barn where most of the dogs were kept. He said the dogs kept in the barn must be returned to Finch.
Since then, Finch has been charged in Skagit County Superior Court with one felony count of first-degree animal cruelty, two misdemeanor second-degree animal cruelty charges and a misdemeanor charge of transporting or confining an animal in an unsafe manner.
Sheriff’s officials said that the SPOT lawsuit puts the return of the dogs to Finch on hold.
“Until the lien is lifted, we are not going to return the dogs,” said Will Reichardt, Skagit County Sheriff’s Office chief criminal deputy.
Reichardt said the decision was based on advice from the county’s legal counsel.
“It’s a pickle,” said Finch’s lawyer, Tom Seguine. “This is now the county government disobeying the court order that requires the Sheriff’s Office to return these animals to my client.”
He said Finch should not be held responsible for any costs accrued by the county or SPOT relating to the dogs taken by an invalid search warrant.
SPOT’s attorney, Adam Karp of Bellingham, claims that the court order does not apply to SPOT, but only to the Sheriff’s Office.
Since the dogs are in SPOT’s care, for SPOT to release them, either the court will need to order SPOT directly, or Finch or the county must pay the lien on each dog.
“SPOT is perfectly willing to release the dogs once it is paid,” Karp said in an e-mail Wednesday.
No date has been set to resolve the dogs’ status.
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Comments:
by: Crystal Rose on March 26, 2009 - 10:12 AM | Comment # 2087
Question? How come spot and and the people responsible for letting the cotton suffer for 2 days with a fery painfull back injury before taking it to the vet, and by that time it was too late to do surgery to correct it and it had to be put down are not facing charges? How come there are no charges for the grayhound breaking its leg while in foster care? Spot and the foster people cant even get there stories streight on how it happend. Will Kris be compinsated for the loss of her dog by spot for them killing it? Will spot reimburse her for the long term care the grayhound will need to rehabilitate his leg? Will she be reimbursed for the work she will have to do to get her dogs back in shape after spot has turned them into over weight (wich is bad for them ) rolly polly can’t walk have to waddle and pant after walking half a block?
And again why is it only just a couple of breeders who were following the new kennel laws and applying for permits that are beeing harassed, true some need to be shut down, and not the unlicenced kennals? Why have they also filed charges against another breeder but he still has all his dogs and he is still pumping out puppy’s for sale?
If the county is going to crack down on dog breeding they need to do it equialy and not just pick and choose who is going to be inspected and who is going to be charged and who is going to loose there animals.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 01:04 PM | Comment # 2089
Crystal Rose,
An excerpt from the second article:
Finch kept some dogs with “special needs” in small crates in her home for 18 hours a day, according to testimony Thursday.
I highly suspect the Coton de Tulear was in pretty bad shape when SPOT received him. If he was one of the dogs kept in the house, in his crate for 18 hours a day then he probably had a lot of muscle wasting and his back wasn’t sufficiently supported. I would also suspect that in the 2 days after his back injury he was kept on pain meds while they were figuring out what was going on with him. When someone has an injured dog most people take some time to find out what is wrong. It was probably the same situation with the greyhound. Tell me Crystal, would you like to be kept in a crate 18 hours a day? Perhaps you should buy one and try it out and let us know how you like the accomodations?
Sure, everyone should pay the piper for animal abuse but they can only do so much at one time. The County does have to pick and choose and I am sure they went after the dogs that were the most neglected first. Besides, don’t try to draw the attention away from Kris by pointing the finger to someone else.
Why would you possibly think that Kris would be reimbursed for losing dogs through her own negligence? Her dogs suffered tremendously while in her care, doesn’t that mean anything to you? What would possibly make you defend this type of behavior?
by: bkindtok9s on March 26, 2009 - 01:06 PM | Comment # 2090
Here we go again,people running there mouths without knowing what they are talking about,but thats ok because it keeps me entertained in my boring life
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 01:08 PM | Comment # 2091
How do you know I don’t know what I am talking about?
------------------------------by: bkindtok9s on March 26, 2009 - 01:08 PM | Comment # 2092
thank you Jo, you hit the nail right on the head
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 01:12 PM | Comment # 2093
Tell me where you think I am wrong
------------------------------by: bkindtok9s on March 26, 2009 - 01:37 PM | Comment # 2094
Sorry Jo I was talking about crystal rose running her mouth,not you. You are right in everything you said. And the coton did have something going on when he was taken fromthe house, and was not left for two days with vet care, not even a day.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 02:15 PM | Comment # 2096
thanks bkindtok9s, maybe she will take my advice, buy a crate and stuff herself in it.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 03:03 PM | Comment # 2097
bkindtok9’s
Do you know what the maximum penalty is for a felony count of first-degree animal cruelty?
by: skagit4life on March 26, 2009 - 03:34 PM | Comment # 2098
Animal cruelty in the first degree WA State
Class C Felony $10,000 5 years
by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 04:23 PM | Comment # 2101
skagit4life,
Wow, thanks for the info.
by: skagit4life on March 26, 2009 - 04:49 PM | Comment # 2104
your welcome Jo Roark.
------------------------------by: justthefacts on March 26, 2009 - 08:10 PM | Comment # 2110
I’m I the only one that sees a problem here? SPOT is using these dogs as pawns for there own benefit. SPOT has no legal right to these dogs if the warrant was issued illegally. How can you put a lean on something that you have no legal right to? If they want “there money” and that is what it looks like to me shouldn’t they go after the sheriff’s office they were the ones that didn’t follow proper procedure. The court has already said that the dogs need to be returned due to the fact that the search warrant should not have included the barn which means that they should not have been in SPOT’s care in the first place.
It is really sad that the people that “rescue” these dogs would use them for there own benefit. As far as I am concerned it really shows there true colors, we only care about the animals when it benefits us, if it doesn’t then we will use them to get what we want. That doesn’t sound like rescue to me. And furthermore what makes them above the law, there is in fact a court order to return the dogs. Does this make the people that are fostering these dogs now in possession of now stolen property? Could they be arrested for this? It seems to me that SPOT has potentially put these people in a very bad position.
------------------------------by: Crystal Rose on March 26, 2009 - 08:13 PM | Comment # 2111
how does any one really know which dog was kept in which crate for how many hours? How do you know what condition the cotton was in? Or you just want to poke sticks personally at Kris? According to court documents the cotton was not taken to the vet for 2 days after the injury occurred so how could he be on pain meds?
Yes the county picks and chooses on the grounds of breed and size not on condition of the animal i have seen it first hand in the form of a rottweiler that was not seized from the owner when he was a walking skeleton and had massive ear infections. Animal control left him in the care of the breeder and the breeder pawned him off on a kind hearted person who just wanted to adopt a good dog.
If Kris is found guilty in a court of law then she should pay the price. Who are you to be judge jury and executioner? And how do you know the condition of the animals have you personally seen the dogs or the reports or are you just jumping on the band wagon to point fingers at every one else so your breeding operation doesn’t come under question?
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 26, 2009 - 08:51 PM | Comment # 2112
I am not jumping on any bandwagon, the county confiscated Kris’s dogs for a reason and that reason was abuse and neglect. Now Kris has been charged and SPOT should get their money. Kris would have had to put the money out to feed her own dogs anyway if they hadn’t been taken, its not a free ride. It is morally wrong to send these dogs back to those conditions.
------------------------------by: scrugg on March 26, 2009 - 09:25 PM | Comment # 2118
I would just sell all them dogs to OBAMA!!!
------------------------------by: scrugg on March 26, 2009 - 09:26 PM | Comment # 2119
Or better yet .... get bailout money from him to pay them dog’s bill!!!
------------------------------by: scrugg on March 26, 2009 - 09:28 PM | Comment # 2120
Send them all to Iraq!!!
------------------------------by: ThinkThink on March 26, 2009 - 10:51 PM | Comment # 2124
This lawsuit by SPOT is stupid. Get a life folks. Send the money to Darfur or a charity that help HUMANS.
------------------------------by: Don Johnson on March 26, 2009 - 11:41 PM | Comment # 2125
ThinkThink wrote:
This lawsuit by SPOT is stupid. Get a life folks. Send the money to Darfur or a charity that help HUMANS.
Thank you, ThinkThink, you just encouraged me to send a generous donation to S.P.O.T.!
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 27, 2009 - 05:14 AM | Comment # 2126
I am glad there are organizations like SPOT to take care for dogs in need, dogs also need a voice.
Dogs need a loving home, space to run and to be part of a family.
Humans have the ability to speak out and seek help when in need, pets do not.
by: bkindtok9s on March 27, 2009 - 11:00 AM | Comment # 2134
My understanding that it’s not about the money, but the dogs that spot is fighting for. I also got to see on the news(anyone else see it) what Krises place looked like 8 weeks after the fact, and if shes cleaned the place up, wow, it still looks like a junk yard. No wonder spot does not want those dog to go back to that mess. Go spot and I’m sending a donation to spot to help them fight.
------------------------------by: momma Jan on March 27, 2009 - 11:45 AM | Comment # 2137
I just love how someone can Make their name: “Just the facts” WHAT a CRock-the reason Kris should HAVE TO PAY FOR ANY CARE/FOOD her animals required is because SHE LET THEM GET IN SUCH HORRIFIC CONDITIONS!!!! Hurray for SPOT and their supporters (me included)—Kris should find a real job and try to support HER family NOT use and abuse dogs so she can live off their suffering—the dogs WENT to SPOT in terrible condition and it’s just WRONG of her NOT to expect to pay for their suffering --Crystal Rose, you just love to keep repeating yourself--baiting people “how do you know what the dogs were like?” --too many people have seen these poor creatures --Kris take care of your family and get a full time job emptying trash cans --your property is full of trash so start there --animals and people should not live in unsafe, unsanitary,horid conditions ---Crystal Rose why don’t you offer Kris a job and then you can support her,her family,and just put her dogs in with yours --I can only imagine the condition your dogs are in from the replys you come up with !!
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 27, 2009 - 11:55 AM | Comment # 2138
Crystal Rose wrote:
how does any one really know which dog was kept in which crate for how many hours? How do you know what condition the cotton was in?
I know the Coton was kept in the house and according to one of the articles the dogs in the house were crated. Just have to put 2 and 2 together.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 27, 2009 - 11:56 AM | Comment # 2139
I think I will send a donation to SPOT as well, in memory of Beckett.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 27, 2009 - 12:02 PM | Comment # 2140
I’m I the only one that sees a problem here? SPOT is using these dogs as pawns for there own benefit. SPOT has no legal right to these dogs if the warrant was issued illegally. How can you put a lean on something that you have no legal right to? If they want “there money” and that is what it looks like to me shouldn’t they go after the sheriff’s office they were the ones that didn’t follow proper procedure. The court has already said that the dogs need to be returned due to the fact that the search warrant should not have included the barn which means that they should not have been in SPOT’s care in the first place.
It is really sad that the people that “rescue” these dogs would use them for there own benefit. As far as I am concerned it really shows there true colors, we only care about the animals when it benefits us, if it doesn’t then we will use them to get what we want. That doesn’t sound like rescue to me. And furthermore what makes them above the law, there is in fact a court order to return the dogs. Does this make the people that are fostering these dogs now in possession of now stolen property? Could they be arrested for this? It seems to me that SPOT has potentially put these people in a very bad position.
Evidently, something gives them the right to do this because they are doing it.
------------------------------by: skagit4life on March 27, 2009 - 03:21 PM | Comment # 2147
Has sent a donation to SPOT because I’ve seen first hand the emotional damage that has been done to these wonderful animals. Some people will never have be able to understand that a dog is more then a pet or a “money maker”. The way you treat animals speaks volumes about your true feelings for humanity.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 27, 2009 - 05:20 PM | Comment # 2151
Skagit4life,
I am glad you are here on this thread, you were there so no one can deny what you saw. Good, responsible breeders don’t make any money breeding dogs, they do it for the love of the breed and they limit the dogs they have and the litters they produce. People should never get into breeding dogs for the money because they always will be disappointed.
by: wipeoutpuppymills on March 27, 2009 - 11:54 PM | Comment # 2159
I think I will send a donation to SPOT as well, in memory of Beckett.
A donation to SPOT is a wonderful idea Jo. Those of us that have Cotons are broken-hearted over the suffering that Beckett went through for 5 years. We also care very much about the Italian Greyhounds and the Aussies. The 28 shouldn’t EVER be returned, they need to go to loving homes where they will have owners that will be loving and care for them in the proper way for the rest of their lives. No more abuse for these poor souls, it shouldn’t be tolerated ever again!
------------------------------by: momma Jan on March 28, 2009 - 03:29 AM | Comment # 2160
rightly said wipeoutpuppymills ----- the poor victims: innocent dogs used to support a person’s lifestyle-- neglect,lack of food (loss of muscle mass),filth, and no loving contact with humans --If the dogs had at least been socialized with positive human contact then they wouldn’t have cowarded so fearfully when they had the opportunity to exit the travel crates they were kept in --- the fear the returning dogs must experience when they find themselves back in the “barn”—breaks my heart
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 28, 2009 - 06:13 AM | Comment # 2163
It doesn’t appear to me the dogs are going back, at least, not for awhile. Maybe by that time she will be doing time for her crimes.
------------------------------by: Crystal Rose on March 28, 2009 - 09:05 AM | Comment # 2171
How can you make a living off dogs when you don’t breed enough to cover the expense to keep them? Wow as far as I know Kris and has a real job. Apparently yall don’t know the facts, make them up as you go along or twist them to suit your needs. Sworn affidavit from a licenced vet to the court stated the cotton suffered for 2 days with the back injury in the care of spot before it was taken to the vet, If it had been taken in immediately it could have been fixed, but because they waited it had to be put down. Boy that is someone I would like taking care of my animals. Two sworn statements one by spot and one by the foster family both say different things on how the greyhound broke its leg, guess they couldn’t get there story straight before the statements were made.
And Yall go ahead and attack me - you don’t know how many dogs I have or what there conditions are. And before every one gets there undies in a wad and starts making assumptions from evidence not in fact. No I do not breed dogs nor have I ever. I believe puppy mills and breeding for profit should be shut down. I believe every dog deserves a home and a family to call there own. Yall are so fixated on Kris while your blinders are on dogs are suffering all over the county and instead of doing something about it your sitting on your butts on a bulletin board bashing ONE person. So that leads me to believe it is a personal issue with that one person.
------------------------------by: Crystal Rose on March 28, 2009 - 09:08 AM | Comment # 2172
Oh and to call someone on there “facts” the employee (and there was only one) that purchased a dog from Kris went out to her place, saw the parents of the dogs, and interacted with several of her dogs and made a selection on which dog she wanted. Just another story twisted to suit the needs of a radical pointing fingers.
------------------------------by: momma Jan on March 28, 2009 - 09:23 AM | Comment # 2173
I would hope that if Kris EVER does get enough money to pay HER FINE she would use it responsibly and perhaps start a fund for her KIDS education, buy a house, anything but go back to using animals to support her lifestyle --TRUE she didn’t make enough money to get by , hence the suffering of her dogs --emaciated --thank you Jo, Wipeoutpuppymills, Skagit4life,BkindtoK9’s---all of you wonderful volunteers and paid supporters of the animals --OH and Crystal Rose since YOU weren’t there I was the one that talked to the Petsmart employee and SHE TOLD ME she did NOT go out to Kris’s house but Kris brought some dogs to the store for her to pick one --there were 2 of us that talked to the Petsmart employee --course she didn’t really want to talk about Kris because Kris was “nice to her” ----"The Greatness of a nation can be judged by the way it’s ANIMALS are treated.” Mahatma Gandhi ----- the trickle down effect DOES work here.... all the way to people that have $ problems BUT DON’T use animals suffering(loss of muscle mass,etc.) to contribute to their livelyhood
------------------------------by: wipeoutpuppymills on March 28, 2009 - 11:52 AM | Comment # 2181
Thanks Momma Jan for seeking out the truth. Kris recently phoned the breeder/co-owner of Beckett (the Coton) to try and convince her that she didn’t do anything wrong. WHAT??!!! (That takes nerve that I can’t believe) A dog must get proper exercise to support the muscle and overall health of the dog, but poor Beckett living his life out in a tiny, filthy crate was such a sad existence, and his outcome was a tragic ending because of her neglect. At least Beckett is out of pain now, he is at peace as horrible as the outcome might have been.:-( No breeder should “eat off their dogs back.” Dogs are to be treasured, they are such an amazing gift, but to treat them like livestock, and viewing them as a way to pay a bill is disgusting. Jo is right, there is no money in dog breeding if it is done correctly. I do know some wonderful, responsible, caring breeders, however they are few and far between.
------------------------------by: bkindtok9s on March 28, 2009 - 04:47 PM | Comment # 2185
Sitting in the court room listening to Kris, to a person who was not dog wise, she sounded really good.But to the dog wise people sitting in the room, she sounded like a fool. One of the comments she made was that no one is allowed in the kennels because of diseases?? Give me a break, letting someone go into your kennel area is way more safe than taking your dog to dog shows. Dogs at dog shows are way more apt to catch something and bring it home to other dogs. And I would still like to know where and why she had all those dogs. The ones in the barn were anywhere from 6 months to 6 years.If she had not had a litter in two years, where did she get the younger ones. Another thing she said was she needed to keep one of her dogs thin(Mavrick I think) because of popping hocks. If I’m not mistaken this is a genetic disease and the dog should never been bred.
------------------------------by: wipeoutpuppymills on March 29, 2009 - 12:01 AM | Comment # 2194
Sitting in the court room listening to Kris, to a person who was not dog wise, she sounded really good.But to the dog wise people sitting in the room, she sounded like a fool. One of the comments she made was that no one is allowed in the kennels because of diseases?? Give me a break, letting someone go into your kennel area is way more safe than taking your dog to dog shows. Dogs at dog shows are way more apt to catch something and bring it home to other dogs. And I would still like to know where and why she had all those dogs. The ones in the barn were anywhere from 6 months to 6 years.If she had not had a litter in two years, where did she get the younger ones. Another thing she said was she needed to keep one of her dogs thin(Mavrick I think) because of popping hocks. If I’m not mistaken this is a genetic disease and the dog should never been bred.
Very well said bkindtok9s. If a dog has popping hocks as she stated in court then why was Maverick her prize show dog and stud dog? Popping hocks are thought to be hereditary. The dog should not have been used for breeding. And yes, nothing could be more risky then attending dog shows. If Kris were truly paranoid about anyone coming in contact with her dogs, because she believed that would make them more susceptible to illness, we wouldn’t have seen her at dog shows with them. Excuses, excuses that’s all it is. She knew if she let anyone with integrity and ethics come into her barn they would run screaming and turn her in. That’s the reality.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 29, 2009 - 08:47 AM | Comment # 2195
Since she has mostly males chances are she has a stud service, possibly, sometimes instead of taking money from people she gets a puppy instead.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 29, 2009 - 08:59 AM | Comment # 2196
I believe every dog deserves a home and a family to call there own.
Good, because hopefully that is what Kris’s dogs will end up with. I guess we are on the same page after all.
Yall are so fixated on Kris while your blinders are on dogs are suffering all over the county and instead of doing something about it your sitting on your butts on a bulletin board bashing ONE person. So that leads me to believe it is a personal issue with that one person.
Come on now Crystal you know as well as we do that the county is the one that has to go after these losers.
------------------------------by: CynLajoie on March 31, 2009 - 06:29 PM | Comment # 2281
WOW I see the TREE HUGGING PETA old b*gs are at it again.
Tsk tsk tsk.
I can not WAIT to see when all of this is over and done with.
Kris will have enough money to buy a place of her own, make some kewl Kennel runs.
Wow..........aren’t lawsuits great !!
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 31, 2009 - 07:17 PM | Comment # 2286
CynLajoie,
Oh you finally decided to show up?
CynLajoie, Crystal Rose and I am sure Kris Finch has been here, the 3 ghouls, how very nice.
Yes, lawsuits are great. Just ask SPOT :)
by: CynLajoie on March 31, 2009 - 07:25 PM | Comment # 2287
Crystal, you’re talking to brick walls. Save your fingers hon. You know Kris. You know the details of this case. and YOU know in the end Kris will win.
I just can’t believe the damage being done in the process but oh well, more money in Kris’ pocket from the lawsuits.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on March 31, 2009 - 08:19 PM | Comment # 2296
People that win lawsuits very rarely collect their money, we have very greedy attorneys and a very greedy court system. So before you get to blindsided might want to take a peek at the statistics.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on March 31, 2009 - 09:13 PM | Comment # 2301
I can not WAIT to see when all of this is over and done with.
Kris will have enough money to buy a place of her own, make some kewl Kennel runs.
Wow..........aren’t lawsuits great !!
That’s quite an interesting fantasy you and Ms. Finch have concocted. How does she plan to pay for civil lawsuit attorneys after her trial when she also have to her current defense lawyer(s) and then have to likely pay a hefty fine when she is convicted?
Do you two have a fantasy in the works for that scenario, too?
------------------------------by: GaryK on April 01, 2009 - 07:40 AM | Comment # 2321
to much money spend on this crap. We have homeless people...maybe they need a dog.
------------------------------by: momma Jan on April 01, 2009 - 10:33 AM | Comment # 2333
GaryK --- dogs ARE my children --you put your energies and MONEY(??) where YOU deem best --ME, I’ve chosen my “furry people” to support --I find that people who complain about humans NOT getting all the financial support usually are NOT involved in helping the people--they just complain --instead of comparing homeless people to dogs I’d hope you were volunteering to help YOUR cause---- these poor animals NEEDED our help to rescue them from horrific conditions-- My support and MONEY goes towards the animals --now you go make a donation or volunteer for YOUR cause!!!!!!
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 01, 2009 - 04:45 PM | Comment # 2349
does anyone know when Kris’s next court date is? I would like to be there.
------------------------------by: momma Jan on April 02, 2009 - 12:17 PM | Comment # 2365
I would really like to know when Kris’s next court day is also --If anyone knows please tell us here --thanks
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 03, 2009 - 05:44 PM | Comment # 2373
does anyone know when Kris’s next court date is? I would like to be there.
I would really like to know when Kris’s next court day is also --If anyone knows please tell us here
Seems to me that if Ms. Finch has nothing to hide and is as innocent as her fans CynLajoie and Crystal Rose claim they should be happy to let the forum here know when the next court date is.
------------------------------by: CynLajoie on April 03, 2009 - 07:34 PM | Comment # 2374
Sorry. If you want to know, call the Court.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 03, 2009 - 07:38 PM | Comment # 2375
Sorry. If you want to know, call the Court.
Now, why did I already know you would say something like that...? Lol!
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 03, 2009 - 09:16 PM | Comment # 2378
I will do that first thing on Monday.
------------------------------by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 03, 2009 - 11:34 PM | Comment # 2380
Has there been a list made public of the breeds of dogs that Kris Finch owned? I was watching the news tonight and they were talking about the lawsuit filed by SPOT. They also showed some dogs in the piece. I saw many different breeds. Were all these breeds owned by Kris Finch? Does anyone know what breeds of dogs Kris Finch had when her puppy mill was raided? My understanding is that she had IG’s, one Coton, 2 or more varieties (sizes) of Aussies and the 2 ponies. Were the 28 dogs that the court ordered to return to her all Aussies?
------------------------------by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 03, 2009 - 11:43 PM | Comment # 2381
I just can’t believe the damage being done in the process but oh well, more money in Kris’ pocket from the lawsuits.
CynLajoie, how could you even be talking about money at this time? You are truly misinformed. Money is not what will be in Kris Finch’s future, but instead jail time. You must be very unfamiliar with the court system. This is not a competition, but instead a time for justice for Beckett (the Coton) (God rest his little soul) and for all the long suffering dogs and ponies in her care.
------------------------------by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 03, 2009 - 11:48 PM | Comment # 2382
[b]Justice will prevail. These dogs will not have suffered in vain. Could someone please announce her next court date when they find out? Thank you.
------------------------------by: protectanimals on April 04, 2009 - 07:57 AM | Comment # 2383
Has there been a list made public of the breeds of dogs that Kris Finch owned? I was watching the news tonight and they were talking about the lawsuit filed by SPOT. They also showed some dogs in the piece. I saw many different breeds. Were all these breeds owned by Kris Finch?
I, too, saw that piece and many of the dogs shown in the footage were of the other case (Sundbergs) or perhaps even of the Gold Bar dogs. There was an earlier piece on one of the major news stations that talked about the Finch case and showed the Sundberg’s driveway and animals.
To the best of my knowledge, the Finch barn dogs to be returned were Aussies and one Italian Greyhound.
------------------------------by: Bow Weevil on April 04, 2009 - 08:05 AM | Comment # 2384
It seems to me that this whole problem could be easily solved by Kris Finch by simply inviting the Animal Control Officer and one or two other witnesses (with cameras) to come and look at the barn and her house so that she could show that the dogs will have a good place to live when she gets them back.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 04, 2009 - 08:18 AM | Comment # 2385
Bow Weevil
When dogs are kept in kennels it is never a good place to live.
by: Jo Roark on April 04, 2009 - 08:24 AM | Comment # 2386
wipeoutpuppymills,
You are right, CynLajoie I am sure is sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy, same mentality as an ambulance chaser.
by: momma Jan on April 04, 2009 - 09:49 AM | Comment # 2388
Jo when you call the court on Monday --please post the dates of Kris’s next trial --Looking forward to another day in court in support of the victims that only have OUR voice(and deeds) to protect them.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 04, 2009 - 09:53 AM | Comment # 2389
CynLajoie I am sure is sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy, same mentality as an ambulance chaser.
Oh, you’re “sure”, are you? Now you’re also a mind-reader?
Wow - ever think of taking that act on the road? Lol!
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 04, 2009 - 09:54 AM | Comment # 2391
Jo when you call the court on Monday --please post the dates of Kris’s next trial --Looking forward to another day in court in support of the victims that only have OUR voice(and deeds) to protect them.
I will
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 04, 2009 - 09:58 AM | Comment # 2392
CynLajoie I am sure is sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy, same mentality as an ambulance chaser.
Oh, you’re “sure”, are you? Now you’re also a mind-reader?
Wow - ever think of taking that act on the road? Lol!
If you ever took the time to read previous posts you would also be a master of the obvious :) Unfortunately, as usual you have nothing of any value to offer.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 04, 2009 - 10:06 AM | Comment # 2393
If you ever took the time to read previous posts
I’ve read all of the previous posts, Jo.
you would also be a master of the obvious
What you’re speculating on is “obvious”? Okaaayyy…
Unfortunately, as usual you have nothing of any value to offer.
So you’re saying that you believe offering speculation and assumption and making unfounded accusations about another poster is all of “value”.
Got it.
------------------------------by: Don Johnson on April 04, 2009 - 07:58 PM | Comment # 2403
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
So you’re saying that you believe offering speculation and assumption and making unfounded accusations about another poster is all of “value”.Got it.
That is not what Jo is posting, LivinItUpUpriver. That’s your department. Don’t ask for me to post examples, either… There isn’t enough bandwidth around here.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 04, 2009 - 08:36 PM | Comment # 2405
That is not what Jo is posting, LivinItUpUpriver.
Still having difficulty with reading comprehension, I see…
That’s your department. Don’t ask for me to post examples, either…
How very typical - make an accusation, refuse to post examples to back up your accusation, and then run like the wind.
Lol! Very persuasive (not).
------------------------------by: Don Johnson on April 04, 2009 - 11:38 PM | Comment # 2412
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
Still having difficulty with reading comprehension, I see…
From the look of things, you don’t see a whole lot, LivinItUpUpriver. I didn’t think you’d have the nerve to reply after the sound thrashing you took from me in another thread. I thought you had put me on “ignore,” as you turned tail and ran before it was over. As a legitimate source of criticism, you have been discredited.
what Don Johnson actually wrote:
That’s your department. Don’t ask for me to post examples, either… There isn’t enough bandwidth around here.LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
How very typical - make an accusation, refuse to post examples to back up your accusation, and then run like the wind.Lol! Very persuasive (not).
How very typical, indeed, LivinItUpUpriver. The only wind detectable is coming from upriver. You have just provided the latest in a string of examples of your own unfounded accusations. I made it quite clear why it is unnecessary for me to document your objectionable behavior any further. I will not be goaded into doing so. Any number of people who have followed your exploits around these parts undoubtedly witnessed you being body-slammed previously. That will have to be sufficient.
------------------------------by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 04, 2009 - 11:41 PM | Comment # 2413
That is not what Jo is posting, LivinItUpUpriver. That’s your department. Don’t ask for me to post examples, either… There isn’t enough bandwidth around here.
You are so right, Don. Thanks......What I understand from Jo’s comments is that she is interested in keeping the remaining dogs safe, and wants justice for all of them. I’m not sure what you are reading LivinUpriver. Most of us that are commenting here are people that truly love and care for animals. I don’t know how that can be misconstrued in Jo’s messages as they are very clear.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 05, 2009 - 07:26 AM | Comment # 2415
Let’s try this again since some of you apparently have short-term memory problems. Here’s what Jo wrote:
CynLajoie I am sure is sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy
Jo has clearly accused CynLajoie of being here in order to “make money off of this tragedy”. To even the most casual reader, this accusation without evidence or admission from the accused is obvious. Now, I am not what one could call a “fan” of CynLajoie and her posts in blind defense of Kris Finch, however, such an accusation is, IMO, over the line (but not atypical of Jo’s posting history in the SVH forums).
How anyone can deny (a) that the accusation took place, (b) that Jo can’t possibly know said accusation to be true and (c) that CynLaJoie has never said or indicated anything of the kind is beyond me.
Oh, and BTW, Don - that “sound beating” you claim occured only happened in your mind and imagination (you know, that place where you are most certainly a heroic legend).
------------------------------by: Don Johnson on April 05, 2009 - 05:47 PM | Comment # 2424
Without a doubt, most of what is posted in these forums is beyond you, LivinItUpUpriver. We don’t need the thought police in here and that appears to be your self-appointed position. You have an extremely bad habit of dissecting what people write and taking it upon yourself to outline for them their intent. It is obvious to any casual observer that you have made Jo your “project” and you look for every opportunity to unleash your wicked tirades. I am far from being the only one who has your number, lady, and you are my project until the moderators get with it and boot your sorry hind quarters off this board. You offer so little in the way of substance that it would be no loss.
You have ruined yet another thread. Now, back off and let everyone post on the subject of this news item without your officious assistance.
------------------------------by: protectanimals on April 05, 2009 - 06:54 PM | Comment # 2426
You have ruined yet another thread. Now, back off and let everyone post on the subject of this news item without your officious assistance.
Amen! Thank you, Don Johnson!
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 05, 2009 - 07:05 PM | Comment # 2427
We don’t need the thought police in here
Who’s “we”? Have you appointed yourself to be the forum spokesperson?
and that appears to be your self-appointed position.
Not at all. If that were the case, I would be telling people what they can and cannot post (like you’re trying to do with me here).
You have an extremely bad habit of dissecting what people write and taking it upon yourself to outline for them their intent.
Wrong again. However, that *is* what Jo was doing with CynLajoie. CynLajoie posted, Jo told her that she was here, “sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy”. Now, if that’s not someone claiming they know what someone’s intent is...
you look for every opportunity to unleash your wicked tirades.
Once again, you are incorrect. If that were truly the case, I would reply to Jo’s posts everytime she posts. As it is, I haven’t replied much to Jo much at all in this thread. In fact, I haven’t replied to Jo much at all recently in any thread.
I am far from being the only one who has your number, lady
Really? And what “number” would that be, Don?
you are my project until the moderators get with it and boot your sorry hind quarters off this board.
I see - so you are going to try and do what you can to silence me because you believe so strongly in the freedom of speech (but only for those you like and agree with). IOW, you want to deny for one (me) that which you are supposedly defending for another (Jo). Are you sure you’ve thought this plan out?
You offer so little in the way of substance that it would be no loss.
I see. So, because *you* have decided that *I* “offer so little in the way of substance” then I should no longer be allowed to post here. Megalomaniacal much?
You have ruined yet another thread.
No, I’m certain I don’t have that kind of power here. But it *is* interesting that *you* perceive I have the kind of influence that would actually “ruin yet another thread”. In fact, that you believe this shows overextension which indicates obsession (along with your “mission” to see my posting priveleges revoked).
Now, back off and let everyone post on the subject of this news item without your officious assistance.
Uhh...<thinking about it>...hmmm...<thinking a little more>…
No.
------------------------------by: Don Johnson on April 05, 2009 - 08:56 PM | Comment # 2434
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
Let’s try this again since some of you apparently have short-term memory problems.
No, let’s not try any of your rationalizations again. In your mind, it is everyone else who has a problem, not you. Apparently, your only means of defense regarding your objectionable behavior is to stamp your feet and to dump an extra large helping of your garbage in here.
What you are attempting to defend is unrestrained harassing and abusive content, not freedom of speech. If you don’t like being called on it, maybe you should file a complaint with the ACLU.
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
No, I’m certain I don’t have that kind of power here. But it *is* interesting that *you* perceive I have the kind of influence that would actually “ruin yet another thread”.
From the look of things, others are in agreement with me, not you.
If you can produce anyone who is on your side, trot ‘em out. Until then, put a cork in it.
Don Johnson wrote:
Now, back off and let everyone post on the subject of this news item without your officious assistance.LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
Uhh...<thinking about it>...hmmm...<thinking a little more>…No.
I rest my case.
That Report Abuse button is there for a reason, folks. I encourage you to use it.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 05, 2009 - 09:14 PM | Comment # 2435
No, let’s not try any of your rationalizations again.
Providing unrefutable evidence that you are wrong is “rationalization”? Okaayyyy...
In your mind, it is everyone else who has a problem, not you.
Interesting. You jump all over me for...what was it? Oh, yeah - “You have an extremely bad habit of dissecting what people write and taking it upon yourself to outline for them their intent.” Yet, here you are, telling me what my intent was. Tsk, tsk, Don.
Apparently, your only means of defense regarding your objectionable behavior is to stamp your feet and to dump an extra large helping of your garbage in here.
<looking down at legs and feet placed comfortably in a horizontal position while reclining in my Lazy-Boy> No - sorry. No stomping going on here. Now, let’s get back to you defending Jo for doing something you are accusing me of, shall we? (or is it just too uncomfortable for you to admit you were wrong?)
What you are attempting to defend is unrestrained harassing and abusive content, not freedom of speech.
Hmmm...I see - you consider me calling out Jo’s bad behavior for what it actually was “harrassing and abusive content”, yet you refuse to acknowledge that Jo’s uncalled-for and unsubstantiated accusation of CynLajoie’s purpose for being here was out of line (not to mention bordering on “harassing and abusive content"). Question: how’s the weather on the Nile this time of year?
If you don’t like being called on it, maybe you should file a complaint with the ACLU.
“Called on” what? All you’ve done here is introduce a red-herring or two and employ the use of ad- hominem. Keep your day job - you’d never make a good attorney.
[I sure am glad I renewed my ACLU membership… lol!]
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 05, 2009 - 09:15 PM | Comment # 2436
My everyone has been busy while I have been away. Oh and by the way Livin’, Don is right. Just so ya know. Oh, and he can speak for me if I am not here. Did that clear everything up Livin’?
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 05, 2009 - 09:21 PM | Comment # 2437
Livin’,
Oh and by the way you might want to go back to school and brush up on your cognitive reading skills, maybe start with 3rd grade.
by: Don Johnson on April 06, 2009 - 02:56 AM | Comment # 2439
LivinItUpUpriver, it is clear that the more I call attention to your dishonesty, the more infantile your arguments become. Your replies are pointless and are born of an arrogance that is to be pitied, not respected. You are fooling only yourself. Rather than feed the troll any further, it is enough for me to know that I made my points and you have exposed yourself for who you are. Now, with your permission, of course, perhaps the people who want to post about the dogs and irresponsible kennel operators can do so.
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 06:55 AM | Comment # 2441
LivinItUpUpriver, it is clear that the more I call attention to your dishonesty, the more infantile your arguments become.
You have yet to “call attention to [any alleged] dishonesty” from me, Don. If you think I have lied, please bring it to light (I would be interested to know how you feel I have been dishonest). All you have done is blast me for posting the way I do. Other than that, all it’s been so far is smoke and mirrors, dishonesty, and denial from you in reference to Jo, your personal friend. But yes, let’s talk about “infantile behavior” - you don’t think that intentionally changing my nym to something else is “infantile”? I do. You’ve persisted in that infantile behavior for months now. How about your continual use of ad hominem? You don’t think that’s infantile? I do. How about continually crying about how I post yet ignoring your friend’s behavior and stating over and over how you’re going to tell on me by going to the moderators? You don’t think that’s juvenile behavior? I sure do.
Your replies are pointless and are born of an arrogance
That’s your opinion, Don. The fact remains, however, that I have a right to post here just as you do, just as anyone does as long as the moderators feel differently. But how about that accusation of “arrogance”, Don...you don’t think that you telling me to stop posting here and trying to tell me how I can post and what I can post about is arrogant? I sure do.
is enough for me to know that I made my points
If that’s enough for you then why all the bluster and posturing about reporting me for “harassment and abuse”?
Now, with your permission, of course
“Of course”? I’ve never told people what they can post about here - you have, however.
perhaps the people who want to post about the dogs and irresponsible kennel operators can do so.
Well, if you think about it - there are more than 70 posts in this thread that are specifically about that. Seems to me that all was well until your friend, Jo, decided to reduce a good discussion thread into an exercise in arrogant, juvenile behavior by making an unfounded, unneccessary accusation against another poster…
------------------------------by: Don Johnson on April 06, 2009 - 07:23 AM | Comment # 2442
It is also clear that you will just deny it again unless I provide irrefutable evidence of your dishonesty, LivinItUpUpriver.
Don Johnson wrote:
No, let’s not try any of your rationalizations again.LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
Providing unrefutable evidence that you are wrong is “rationalization”? Okaayyyy…
Don Johnson wrote:
In your mind, it is everyone else who has a problem, not you.Interesting. You jump all over me for...what was it? Oh, yeah - “You have an extremely bad habit of dissecting what people write and taking it upon yourself to outline for them their intent.” Yet, here you are, telling me what my intent was. Tsk, tsk, Don.
If only you hadn’t shamelessly misrepresented what I wrote in order to cover your tracks. By isolating the two sentences, which were actually connected as a complete train of thought, you afforded yourself the freedom to create two separate retorts that were completely unrelated to it. As you are well aware, LivinItUpUpriver, my commentary was directed at your condescending remarks that were directed at a group of people. The fact is, I had responded to this…
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
Let’s try this again since some of you apparently have short-term memory problems.
In view of this, the only logical conclusion is that you are deceitful. And this is only one example out of countless others. I have proven my case.
QED.
You may now continue with your ranting and raving. It doesn’t matter. You have been discredited once again.
------------------------------by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 08:16 AM | Comment # 2445
Wrong again. However, that *is* what Jo was doing with CynLajoie. CynLajoie posted, Jo told her that she was here, “sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy”. Now, if that’s not someone claiming they know what someone’s intent is…
See the bottom of page 4 and the top of page 5 for Cyn’s own statements about making money off of lawsuits…
Comment 2281 (excerpted):
...Kris will have enough money to buy a place of her own, make some kewl Kennel runs. Wow..........aren’t lawsuits great !!
Comment 2287 (excerpted):
...Crystal, you’re talking to brick walls. Save your fingers hon. You know Kris. You know the details of this case. and YOU know in the end Kris will win.
I just can’t believe the damage being done in the process but oh well, more money in Kris’ pocket from the lawsuits.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 08:47 AM | Comment # 2447
protectanimals,
The only reason LivinUpRiver comes on these threads is to start arguments and to create a lot of drama, thats her M.O.
What CynLajoie wrote is there for everyone to see, and yet, Livin’ missed it or refuses to acknowledge it.
by: pacificlace on April 06, 2009 - 09:37 AM | Comment # 2452
I see most people here actually care about the animals. THANK YOU!
It’s not totally about the money, it’s about the health and welfare of these poor dogs. It cost money to fix what these poor fur babies have went through. You can’t expect the vets to boot all the bills for it. After all the vets have a mortgage and bills to pay also, just like we do. I do believe that Kris Finch should be responsible for the damages she has done and be liable for such bills. It was her doing, not ours (the tax payers), not the animal protective services that exist, and I thank the people that cared!
I have 2 dogs, my babies, my buddies, my four legged friends. I spend more money on their health care than I do on mine. Might I add, I do drop money into the funding jars that are around to help offset the cost. I can’t do it alone, but I can help. Maybe we should all think about the next latte or burger we want and put that money to good use for the benefit towards destitute dogs and cats. It will do your heart good. And for those that just want to “try” and write it off as “they know these good breeders”...gimme a break. You’re probably one of those puppy mills owners yourself.
I have 2 dogs that are rescued. One was thrown out of a car, yes I seen it happen. He’s 9 years old now, wonderful friend and loving and I love him. The other I bought from what I perceived as a puppy mill, when I seen the condition he was in, could not even stand up in the crate, I knew right then he was mine, I was not taking NO for an answer. He deserved better. I couldn’t take them all, but I did give him a chance at a good loving well rounded life all animals should have. Both are healthy now. Why? Because I cared! As I see it, I saved both my dogs lives from a life in filth and imprisoned in a crate too small. ALL dogs and cats should be so lucky to live out their lives being loved and properly cared for.
by: momma Jan on April 06, 2009 - 10:51 AM | Comment # 2455
Livingupsomeriver is just trying to cause arguments --must be a great life spending all your time trying to sound so loquacious--how many other blogs are you on just trying and get people’s dander up?? your tactics are like the bully in grade school --PUNCH then run and hide --all I care about is the treatment Kris’s poor dogs had to endure!!! want to know when her next trial date is .anyone know yet?? ..I’ll just ignore the comments that just want to pick fights to take away from the filth, neglect, abuse, and horror those poor animals lived with-- Kris and co. ARE responsible for the care her poor dogs required--just like the rest of her dependants!!! the idea that SPOT and the commnity should pay for HER vet bills is ubsurd!! course Kris hasn’t been able to sell any dogs lately so I imagine money’s tight--
------------------------------by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:58 AM | Comment # 2456
want to know when her next trial date is .anyone know yet??
The lawsuit hearing is April 16...not sure on time
The criminal charges will be heard in Whatcom County, but I don’t know if they’ve set anything.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 12:18 PM | Comment # 2457
Protectanimals,
Yes, I have been going in circles with Skagit County trying to find out about the court date. If it is one the 16th I won’t be able to go.
by: momma Jan on April 06, 2009 - 12:46 PM | Comment # 2460
Oh shoot --neither will I --unfortunately (or fortunately) I’ll be out of the country the end of April --HEY Cyn.... want some company ??? I’d LOVE to see your place --just think when I see the sanitary, healthy, loving conditions of your place then I can support your authority to speak ---YEA RIGHT !!
------------------------------by: ilikepie on April 06, 2009 - 02:38 PM | Comment # 2462
She had a court date on April 3rd and it was pushed out - some stupid conflict of interest or something. Hmm the 16th - I thought it was the 8th. Guess I better check again since I don’t want to miss it. It’s only an arraignment I believe. It should be interesting to see how she pleads the charges. Ahh the drama continues.....
------------------------------by: lovinskagit on April 06, 2009 - 02:50 PM | Comment # 2464
Hahaha .... I have some friends who are police officers....they had the PRIVILAGE of fingerprinting and taking mug shots of Ms. Finch last week =)
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 02:51 PM | Comment # 2465
I had to go down to Big Lake today to pick up some benches someone gave me and if I passed by the right place it appears the only building that resembled a barn at all was a metal building and I couldn’t see any windows. That would have to be terribly hot in the summertime. The place looked ratty while the other places look kept up so I am probably right.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 02:56 PM | Comment # 2466
Hahaha .... I have some friends who are police officers....they had the PRIVILAGE of fingerprinting and taking mug shots of Ms. Finch last week =)
Thats not fair! The least they could have done is invited us to the ceremony!
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 04:00 PM | Comment # 2467
Comment 2281 (excerpted):
...Kris will have enough money to buy a place of her own, make some kewl Kennel runs. Wow..........aren’t lawsuits great !!Comment 2287 (excerpted):
...Crystal, you’re talking to brick walls. Save your fingers hon. You know Kris. You know the details of this case. and YOU know in the end Kris will win.
Yep - that’s what CynLajoie said. So what? Jo accused *CynLajoie* of being here to make money - and that isn’t what CynLajoie said - she was talking about Ms. Finch making money from law suits, not herself.
------------------------------by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 04:05 PM | Comment # 2468
I had to go down to Big Lake today to pick up some benches someone gave me and if I passed by the right place it appears the only building that resembled a barn at all was a metal building and I couldn’t see any windows. That would have to be terribly hot in the summertime. The place looked ratty while the other places look kept up so I am probably right.
Right across from the fire hall and Big Lake Elementary. Did you see the poor sheep and fowl? Hideous! And one could only imagine that she spent some time cleaning up before her custody hearing when she was supposed to prove that the animals wouldn’t suffer further neglect...oh, yeah - she didn’t prove that! And didn’t offer any testimony or pictures to show that she had cleaned up!
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 04:05 PM | Comment # 2469
If only you hadn’t shamelessly misrepresented what I wrote
How can I misrepresent what you write when I post a dorect quote from you?
you afforded yourself the freedom to create two separate retorts that were completely unrelated to it
You know...I have made this suggestion to you before - if you don’t like what I post and how I post just don’t read my posts and just don’t respond to them. It’s actually a simple solution - why you insist on reading and responding when it is clearly annoying for you to do both is beyond me.
In view of this, the only logical conclusion is that you are deceitful.
Well, that may be the conclusion *you* have come to...
You may now continue with your ranting and raving
Actually, the only one I currently see “ranting and raving” is you, Don.
Why not just save yourself the aggravation and stop reading what I write?
------------------------------by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 04:16 PM | Comment # 2470
Livingupsomeriver
Wow - another poster changing my nym in an infantile fashion.
how many other blogs are you on just trying and get people’s dander up??
This isn’t a “blog”, it’s a message forum.
your tactics are like the bully in grade school --PUNCH then run and hide
Sorry, but no violence (physical or otherwise) happening here, and I never “run and hide”.
--all I care about is the treatment Kris’s poor dogs had to endure!!!
Okaayyy...is anyonehere trying to stop you from caring about that?want to know when her next trial date is .anyone know yet??If you’re really interested, I imagine that the information isn’t too hard to obtain.
..I’ll just ignore the comments that just want to pick fights
Apparently not - otherwise you wouldn’t have responded with your own post (which seems to be trying to pick a fight).
to take away from the filth, neglect, abuse, and horror those poor animals lived with--
At this point, I don’t think that’s possible - all of that has been effectively established in these threads, dontcha think?
Kris and co. ARE responsible for the care her poor dogs required--just like the rest of her dependants!!!
Yeah, we all kinda already know that.
the idea that SPOT and the commnity should pay for HER vet bills is ubsurd!!
Yeah, I think we all kinda already know that, too.
course Kris hasn’t been able to sell any dogs lately so I imagine money’s tight--
***Unnecessary assumption and gossip alert***
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by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 04:18 PM | Comment # 2471
I had to go down to Big Lake today to pick up some benches someone gave me and if I passed by the right place it appears the only building that resembled a barn at all was a metal building and I couldn’t see any windows. That would have to be terribly hot in the summertime. The place looked ratty while the other places look kept up so I am probably right.
***Unsubstantiated rumor and gossip alert***
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by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 04:33 PM | Comment # 2472
Yep - that’s what CynLajoie said. So what? Jo accused *CynLajoie* of being here to make money - and that isn’t what CynLajoie said - she was talking about Ms. Finch making money from law suits, not herself.
I don’t believe for a moment that Kris Finch and CynLajoie are 2 different people. I was waiting for CynLajoie to correct me and she never did, hmmm..
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CynLajoie resides in Eastern Canada but claims to know a lot about Skagit County and Kris’s place, and yet, seemed to know nothing about Beckett. The only person unwilling to talk about him is CynLajoie. If CynLajoie has been out to Kris’s house and seen her kennels in the last 5 years don’t you think she would have noticed the “all white” dog amidst the mostly black ones? Why would she even bother to defend her if she didn’t even know what she is defending? I wonder if she is going to defend her in court? I wonder if she will be there in the courtroom backing her up? Hmmm..I wonder?
by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 04:37 PM | Comment # 2473
I had to go down to Big Lake today to pick up some benches someone gave me and if I passed by the right place it appears the only building that resembled a barn at all was a metal building and I couldn’t see any windows. That would have to be terribly hot in the summertime. The place looked ratty while the other places look kept up so I am probably right.
***Unsubstantiated rumor and gossip alert***
Sheer stupidity alert!
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 04:38 PM | Comment # 2474
wipeoutpuppymills. Do you know HOW Beckett died ? Do you know WHY Beckett died ???? ASK SPOT. They allowed him to get hurt LONG after he was taken from Kris’ home, THEN they delayed getting him Vet care for three days. By the time the “foster family” took him to the Vet it was too late. His injury to his back couldn’t be repaired by surgery and he had to be destroyed. All WEEKS after he left Kris’ care.
I’ve read the Vet’s own papers.
As I said....LAWSUIT !!
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by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 04:40 PM | Comment # 2475
I don’t believe for a moment that Kris Finch and CynLajoie are 2 different people. I
Oh, brother...another conspiracy theory.
I was waiting for CynLajoie to correct me and she never did
And she’s obligated to give you an answer because...?
CynLajoie resides in Eastern Canada but claims to know a lot about Skagit County and Kris’s place, and yet, seemed to know nothing about Beckett.
Well...gee...dontcha think that if they are one-in-the-same that she would have said she knew something about the dog? And did you even *attempt* to do a web search for CynLajoie to see if she is who she says she is? (if you do, you may have to get a few paper towels to wipe the egg off of your face, Jo)
If CynLajoie has been out to Kris’s house and seen her kennels in the last 5 years don’t you think she would have noticed the “all white” dog amidst the mostly black ones?
Why are you assuming that CynLajoie has been to Ms. Finch’s home? AAMOF, why are you making any assumptions about all of this in the first place?
Why would she even bother to defend her if she didn’t even know what she is defending?
Why don’t you ask her? (wouldn’t that be preferable to making assumption, unfounded claims, and spreading rumors?
I wonder if she is going to defend her in court? I wonder if she will be there in the courtroom backing her up? Hmmm..I wonder?
Good heavens - don’t you have better, more important things to wonder about than someone else’s business?
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 04:41 PM | Comment # 2476
CynLajoie I am sure is sniffing around trying to figure out how to make money off of this tragedy
How the heck and I supposed to make money of this situation ? I live 3500 miles away from Kris ???
DUH !!
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by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 04:42 PM | Comment # 2477
Actually I saw a really skinny cat but there really wasn’t much going on there. I didn’t see any sheep or anyhthing else. It looked like no one was there, maybe they moved out for awhile.
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by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 04:45 PM | Comment # 2478
Ohhhhh, now you come out, well isn’t that just convenient after you have several days to reply :) I believe you and Kris are the same person. You know too much of what goes on around here, too many things don’t add up.
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 04:59 PM | Comment # 2480
WOW...... I am always shocked by how much time people will spent online whipping horse manure !
Do you little tirants have a life ? Children ? Animals ?
Sorry I didn’t turn my computer on this weekend to answer ALL your questions. I was TOO BUSY having fun outdoors with my three sons and my 8 dogs and my horse.
Is that ok with you and can you find something diabolical in that TOO ?
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 05:03 PM | Comment # 2481
Oh Jo Roark....
Ohhhhh, now you come out, well isn’t that just convenient after you have several days to reply :) I believe you and Kris are the same person. You know too much of what goes on around here, too many things don’t add up.
Is that the best you can come up with ? Here’s a thing. It’s called Kris and I are best friends. WE talk all the time for hours at a time. There is a wonderful new invention called a computer. You can send faxes and stuff through them ? Are you still with me ?
Jesus woman, get a grip.
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by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 05:05 PM | Comment # 2482
Oh so you can tell from your computer what kind of shape Kris’s kennels are in?
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 05:07 PM | Comment # 2483
Make it human.
If you had your child is taken away by child services and 6 weeks later, the Courts said they had no legal right to take your child and would give him back to you immediately.
Two weeks go by and still your child isn’t returned.
Then all of a sudden the child services or the Foster Family that your child was placed with, says it cost them $800 to feed,cloth and house your child and UNTIL you give it to them, they won’t return your child.
Add to that while in child services care, they left your young child unattended and he broke his back and is crippled for life.
NOW YOU TELL ME...........what would YOU do ?
You don’t think Kris has a lawsuit ?
I sure as heck DO !
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by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 05:09 PM | Comment # 2484
To date I have not found an aussie kennel in eastern canada with your name on it.
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 05:11 PM | Comment # 2485
And just so you know
- money owed to SPOT is a Civil matter, not criminal.
- Skagit County Police violated Kris’ rights by not going with her to retreive her dogs.
- Beckett died while in Foster Care due to negligence, NOT any condition he was in when he was taken.
The Court ruled that 28 of her dogs were to returned. That was 3 weeks ago.
Now because they weren’t and the Police won’t do anything about it, SPOT is in possession of stolen property.
Skagit County didn’t follow proper procedure in the first place. Dogs should have stayed in Skagit County’s care NOT placed with SPOT.
The dogs are evidence and are to remain as such, with the financial and legal liability falling on the entity that seized them.
Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit.
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 05:12 PM | Comment # 2486
Then you’re daff Jo.
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by: CynLajoie on April 06, 2009 - 05:22 PM | Comment # 2487
You’re right Jo, you got me. Im Kris. hahaha.
Man you people seriously do need to get a life.
Kris has ALOT more tact then I do. I say in type just like I say it in person. That’s why I wish I had to bucks right now, I’d fly out to Skagit County to meet each and every one of you face to face.
Wouldn’t that be fun ? Maybe go for coffee when Court is over ?
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by: LivinUpriver on April 06, 2009 - 05:32 PM | Comment # 2488
To date I have not found an aussie kennel in eastern canada with your name on it.
Then you sure haven’t looked very hard (actually, the information is not hard to find at all lol! ;-)
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by: Jo Roark on April 06, 2009 - 06:14 PM | Comment # 2489
Beckett died in foster care because of the previous abuse and neglect he suffered at Kris’s hands. AND HEY, you are suppose to be from Eastern
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Canada, what would you know?? Hmm..? Were you there when they confiscated Beckett from Kris’s house? You don’t know ANYTHING if you are who you say you are. You know NOTHING, ZIP, ZILCH, NOTHING!! You don’t know the condition of her house, her barn or anything else on her property, do you? Oh, unless you are psychic..
by: biteme18_21 on April 06, 2009 - 08:37 PM | Comment # 2492
Jo-
Kris has absolutely no reason to get on this forum, let alone under a different name. You are so instrested in Beckett, why don’t you go and ask you SPOT friends about what actually happened to him. You are being absolutely absurd to think that Kris doesn’t have any one in her corner. Most of her people are more mature than to talk crap about her. You want to know what happened to the all white fluffy dog, why don’t you find out yourself.you all need plexorectemies
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:33 PM | Comment # 2497
To date I have not found an aussie kennel in eastern canada with your name on it.
www.smaller-is-better.com
http://www.facebook.com/people/Cyn-MacAllister/533183081
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:46 PM | Comment # 2498
- Beckett died while in Foster Care due to negligence, NOT any condition he was in when he was taken.
For those of us less enlightened, please share your evidence.
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:47 PM | Comment # 2499
WOW...... I am always shocked by how much time people will spent online whipping horse manure !
What, like you????
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:49 PM | Comment # 2500
It’s called Kris and I are best friends. WE talk all the time for hours at a time. There is a wonderful new invention called a computer. You can send faxes and stuff through them ?
Really? And that gives you first-hand knowledge of the dogs, their conditions, and how Kris kept house/barn/kennels?
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:54 PM | Comment # 2501
maybe they moved out for awhile.
Lights were on tonight, with windows steamed over, too. Will go look again soon to see the poor sheep. Wish I could save them all…
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 10:57 PM | Comment # 2502
The Court ruled that 28 of her dogs were to returned. That was 3 weeks ago.
Now because they weren’t and the Police won’t do anything about it, SPOT is in possession of stolen property.Really? Have the statute to back you up, Cyn???
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by: protectanimals on April 06, 2009 - 11:50 PM | Comment # 2503
you all need plexorectemies
Wow, way to make up a word!
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by: Don Johnson on April 07, 2009 - 01:23 AM | Comment # 2504
Don Johnson wrote:
If only you hadn’t shamelessly misrepresented what I wroteLivinItUpUpriver wrote:
How can I misrepresent what you write when I post a dorect quote from you?Nobody is as stupid as you appear to be, LivinItUpUpriver. Even a casual observer can spot a pathological condition as part of the disease you carry. Sure you like to copy and paste what others write. But that’s not the act of misrepresentation. Certainly, you are quite well aware of that. In case your Swiss cheese memory is being strained, it was laid out for you on page 8, comment #2442. No one else missed it.
Don Johnson wrote:
you afforded yourself the freedom to create two separate retorts that were completely unrelated to itLivinItUpUpriver wrote:
You know...I have made this suggestion to you before - if you don’t like what I post and how I post just don’t read my posts and just don’t respond to them. It’s actually a simple solution - why you insist on reading and responding when it is clearly annoying for you to do both is beyond me.Of course it is. It is part of your sociopathic mentality. Here’s the deal… You can take your suggestions and shove ‘em. I do not look the other way while a bald-faced liar posts whatever she manages to cough up in my direction. I you don’t like being addressed in this manner, don’t dish it out.
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by: LivinUpriver on April 07, 2009 - 06:50 AM | Comment # 2505
Don’s own words: “stupid”, “pathological”, “Swiss cheese”, “sociopathic”, “bald-faced liar”. First rule of debate/discussion - once you start calling others names, you’ve completely lost your argument (along with your credibility).
Oops.
<shrug>
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 08:22 AM | Comment # 2507
Good job Don :)
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 08:27 AM | Comment # 2508
No wonder I couldn’t find anything on CynLajoie, she had said she used her real name on this thread, hmmm..
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by: protectanimals on April 07, 2009 - 08:46 AM | Comment # 2509
No wonder I couldn’t find anything on CynLajoie, she had said she used her real name on this thread, hmmm..
Not sure if LaJoie is her maiden or married or some other name, but the MacAllister is fairly recent to her Facebook page—Lajoie is what she uses for her group postings, etc. and it used to be on her Facebook page.
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by: momma Jan on April 07, 2009 - 09:59 AM | Comment # 2510
I tried to find “smaller is better” AND face book page but didn’t connect --Oh well probably NOT worth the time to type in her m o ----Don, you sure got to “uprivermentality” (oh how immature of me:):)) --can’t wait to see Kris’s mug shot--public record ----- wish all the animals that passed/suffered during her care could realize some retribution --even in spirit--think of all the good that COULD have come if Kris had put as much energy into taking care of these dogs as she did in neglecting and abusing them--
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 03:49 PM | Comment # 2514
protectanimals-
its not a made up word, it is a medical procedure. A plexorectemy is when you get a part of your stomach removed and a piece of plexiglass put in so you can still see when you have your head shoved up your behind. It also comes equiped with windshield wipers for really bad cases.Sounds like you are very familiar with the process. Were you the first to get one?
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by: Don Johnson on April 07, 2009 - 05:17 PM | Comment # 2517
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
Don’s own words: “stupid”, “pathological”, “Swiss cheese”, “sociopathic”, “bald-faced liar”. First rule of debate/discussion - once you start calling others names, you’ve completely lost your argument (along with your credibility).Oops.
<shrug>
I wasn’t calling names, LivinItUpUpriver, I stated facts based upon your clearly observable pattern of behavior and personality traits. My pet name for you is not so much “infantile” as it is a display of my utter disrespect for you. Apparently, you fancy yourself some kind of master debater, when in fact you are an ill mannered rank amateur. You lose every argument before you begin because of an intrinsic lack of credibility. My suggestion to you is that you follow your own advice: “If you don’t like what I post and how I post just don’t read my posts and just don’t respond to them.” You won’t because your “rules” are for everyone else except yourself.
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by: LivinUpriver on April 07, 2009 - 05:45 PM | Comment # 2522
I wasn’t calling names, LivinItUpUpriver
Sure you were. Everytime you respond to me you change my nym to something other than what it is - that is name-calling.
I stated facts based upon your clearly observable pattern of behavior and personality traits.
No, you stated your opinion, but gave no actual facts.
My pet name for you is not so much “infantile” as it is a display of my utter disrespect for you.
No, it’s infantile. And everytime you use it, you reduce your credibility as a person who can have a decent discussion with someone you disagree with.
you fancy yourself some kind of master debater
If I had said, “I fancy myself some kind of master debater”, *that* would make it apparent. As it is, I have never stated, nor implied, anything of the sort.
Apparently, you are an ill mannered rank amateur.
Really...and what do you consider yourself in that arena?
You lose every argument before you begin because of an intrinsic lack of credibility.
***Strawman alert*** How could you possibly measure my credibility as a debater (amateur or otherwise) when I have never claimed to be a debater? ***Strawman alert***
My suggestion to you is that you follow your own advice: “If you don’t like what I post and how I post just don’t read my posts and just don’t respond to them.”
That advice would be valid if I was someone who complains about what others post and wishes them to stop posting altogether. I have expressed neither in this forum. You, OTOH, complain and whine regularly about a number of posts and posters - especially when those posts or posters disagree with you. Think of it this way - when someone complains about something, the logical thing to do is for the irritated person to take whatever steps are necessary to personally remove themselves from the source of their irritation. It’s not the responsibility of the person (or thing) irritating the one who is irritated - it’s *only* the personal responsibility of the one being irritated to do what *they* can do *themselves* to change their irritation level. As long as you continue to complain but don’t do anything to take care of yourself, you essentially get what you deserve, because you’ve made your own choice.
You won’t because your “rules” are for everyone else except yourself.
I won’t because I’ve never complained about how others post - you have and continue to do so.
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 06:08 PM | Comment # 2524
Jo...for your info, the information was given to Kris BY THE COURT. And it clearly stated in there why Beckett got injured. The retarded foster family put him with two intact females and being an inexperienced male, he humped the two of them all day and all night long. He injured his back. Because they are on the “island” and it was far to the Vet they just assumed he we be ok after a couple. When he got worse, on day THREE they finally took him to the Vet and it was too late to fix the injury. NO MENTION OF ANY PREVOUS INJURY ON THE DOCUMENTS !
SPOT and the Foster family are 100% responsible for the death of that dog and someone will pay for it.
You condemn Kris ? How about you open your god damn eyes for a change and shut your yap and learn some FACTS before you spout anymore crap.
I don’t believe you because there are too many other people that know different.
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 06:15 PM | Comment # 2525
Hey Don,
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Hey you know what Don? Very, very few people reply to Livin’ anymore. I think everyone has put her on ignore!
by: LivinUpriver on April 07, 2009 - 06:20 PM | Comment # 2526
there are too many other people that know different.
Well...looking at it from both angles is could be that the truth actually is somewhere in the middle. It’s not improbable considering what the investigation has revealed that the dog’s spine fractured because of poor nutrition and exercise - that would be on the owner. It’s also not improbable that the dog died due to improper attention being paid to the injury at the time it occured - that would be on the person taking care of the animal when the injury occured.
It *is* possible that both parties are responsible to some degree (although not equally). However, if Ms. Finch had cared for her animal(s) properly in the first place, the raid never would have occured and the injury wouldn’t have happened while in the care of someone else. Bottom line: I will be surprised if the court doesn’t come down against Ms. Finch across the board. But that’s just a guess on my part.
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 06:28 PM | Comment # 2527
The end will tell the tale and I guarantee you the only animal Kris will get nailed for is the horse. OH and in case you haven’t noticed there are only a few charges against her. Only ONE is a felony charge. The others are misdeamenors.
Only a few charges? Only one felony? So that makes it ok then, because its only one? What could you possibly be thinking? Do you know how lame that sounds?
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by: protectanimals on April 07, 2009 - 07:01 PM | Comment # 2528
Sounds like you are very familiar with the process. Were you the first to get one?
It was still experimental at the time he received it…
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 07:07 PM | Comment # 2529
Sounds like you are very familiar with the process. Were you the first to get one?
It was still experimental at the time he received it…
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
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by: Jo Roark on April 07, 2009 - 08:18 PM | Comment # 2535
The retarded foster family put him with two intact females and being an inexperienced male, he humped the two of them all day and all night long. He injured his back. Because they are on the “island” and it was far to the Vet they just assumed he we be ok after a couple.
And did both females just happen to be in season at the same time Cyn? And what breed were they? Why would Kris have an intact 5 year old Coton de Tulear male that she never used? Why not just neuter him?
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by: Don Johnson on April 07, 2009 - 09:39 PM | Comment # 2536
LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
***Strawman alert*** How could you possibly measure my credibility as a debater (amateur or otherwise) when I have never claimed to be a debater? ***Strawman alert******Stupidity alert*** Invoking a “strawman” claim is a debate tactic. It is not informal terminology. You are deceitful even with yourself! ***Stupidity alert***
Don Johson wrote:
My pet name for you is not so much “infantile” as it is a display of my utter disrespect for you.LivinInUpUpriver wrote:
No, it’s infantile. And everytime you use it, you reduce your credibility as a person who can have a decent discussion with someone you disagree with.But I don’t want to have a discussion — decent or otherwise — with a big baby who rationalizes her objectionable behavor to the point that she believes she has special privileges in that area. As I stated, it is not a matter of disagreement; I have no respect for you and it is your own fault. You don’t want to have a discussion with anyone. All you want is to lecture and to be right.
Don Johnson wrote:
My suggestion to you is that you follow your own advice: “If you don’t like what I post and how I post just don’t read my posts and just don’t respond to them.” You won’t because your “rules” are for everyone else except yourself.LivinItUpUpriver wrote:
That advice would be valid if I was someone who complains about what others post and wishes them to stop posting altogether. That advice would be valid if I was someone who complains about what others post and wishes them to stop posting altogether. I have expressed neither in this forum. (the rest sounds like you’re drunk)Here we go with the expected disclaimer. You are in no position to institute special conditions giving yourself permission to continue browbeating and intimidating people who don’t meet with your ruthless standards.
Let’s try something different, LivinItUpUpriver…
I do not want your attention. I do not want you posting to me or about me. Any further comments directed to me or about me will be considered harassment and will place you in clear violation of the Terms of Use. My being here is not my consent to be subjected to your abuse and lack of control. There will be no discussion on this matter.
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by: LivinUpriver on April 07, 2009 - 10:23 PM | Comment # 2539
a “strawman” claim is a debate tactic. It is not informal terminology.
The strawman argument definition reaches farther than formal debate. It’s used in the legal world, it’s used in business, it’s used in informal discussion. If *you* want to see it as a formal debate tactic for yourself, feel free. As for me, that’s not how I see it.
But I don’t want to have a discussion — decent or otherwise — with a big baby who rationalizes her objectionable behavor to the point that she believes she has special privileges in that area.
I’ve never said I feel I have “special privileges”, and I’ve never implied it.You don’t want to have a discussion with anyone. All you want is to lecture and to be right.More assumption from you based on personal bias.
You are in no position to institute special conditions
What “special conditions”? I was talking about you taking responsibility for your own actions and decision to continue reading and responding to my posts when it clearly is aggravating for you to do so.
giving yourself permission to continue browbeating and intimidating people who don’t meet with your ruthless standards.
Oh, give me a break. What you and Jo do is “browbeating and intimidat[ion]”. Take another look at your posts to me and Jo’s posts to CynLajoie. Good grief, talk about projection.
I do not want your attention.
Then stop responding to my posts. Don’t you get that everytime you do, you are officially *inviting* the attention you say you don’t want?
I do not want you posting to me or about me.
Sorry, that’s not how public online forums work.
Any further comments directed to me or about me will be considered harassment and will place you in clear violation of the Terms of Use.
Still, that’s not how it works. If I was actually threatening you or truly behaving in a harassing manner, that would be different. But to simply respond to a post, that doesn’t fit the definition of “harassment”.
My being here is not my consent to be subjected to your abuse and lack of control.
But you responding to my posts *does* give consent for me to respond back to you
There will be no discussion on this matter.
You may want to educate yourself by looking up the definition of online/internet harassment for a clear explanation, Don.
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by: Don Johnson on April 08, 2009 - 12:05 AM | Comment # 2542
To: feedback@goskagit.com
Will you please do something to stop “LivingUpriver” from harassing people who post comments? I have made this request many times so far without any resolution. Her behavior warrants termination of her posting privileges. She is in constant violation of Guideline “d.” in your Terms of Use. Once she identifies someone that she doesn’t like, she becomes abusive, demanding, and borderline libelous. She takes what people post out of context so that she can twist it and attempt to elevate herself at their expense. When she first came after me, I asked her to stop. Others have done the same. She has not. Instead, she has escalated her attacks to the point that the back and forth sniping is out of control. My intent has been to defend myself and others against a bully who will not let up. It would be nice if the “ignore” feature stopped an aggressive person from posting harassing material. So far, nothing has stopped “LivingUpriver.” I am now afraid to post my opinion on anything for fear she will launch another tirade and force me into a defensive position. I see no reason for others and me to keep looking over our shoulders after we post an opinion. When you get these amateur debate contestants seizing control, it takes away from the credibility of your site and it drives off the more timid contributors. Is that what you want?
I doubt seriously that I am the only one who as received unwanted attention by LivinUpriver and who finds such behavior unacceptable. As such, I expect a reply to this complaint and I look forward to the problem being resolved to other’s and my satisfaction.(signed)
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by: biteme18_21 on April 08, 2009 - 12:19 AM | Comment # 2543
That actually sounds like you Don Johnson.
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by: Don Johnson on April 08, 2009 - 02:15 AM | Comment # 2544
biteme18_21 wrote:
That actually sounds like you Don Johnson.If you have a problem, report abuse. Otherwise, tend to your “plexorectemy” and I’ll just consider the source of your comments.
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by: CynLajoie on April 08, 2009 - 06:49 AM | Comment # 2546
And did both females just happen to be in season at the same time Cyn? And what breed were they? Why would Kris have an intact 5 year old Coton de Tulear male that she never used? Why not just neuter him?
Jo THAT right there shows you know NOTHING about dogs !
1 - he was not neutered BECAUSE he was a show dog. You can’t show an altered dog.
2 - an INexperienced male will go after a female whether she is in heat or not !
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by: CynLajoie on April 08, 2009 - 06:51 AM | Comment # 2547
Will you all be in Court on the 16th ? I’ll try my best to scounge up the money for a flight and meet you there. Like I said, we can all go out for cofee, my dime ??? LMFAO
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by: Jo Roark on April 08, 2009 - 07:29 AM | Comment # 2548
CynLajoie,
I am well aware you can’t show an altered dog. Actually he WAS a showdog, he went off in the front early on and Kris stopped showing him. His career was very short lived. I don’t think he was even a year old when she quit showing him.Sometimes an inexperienced male will go after a female that isn’t in season, thats true but females are very quick to put an end to that nonsense.
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by: Jo Roark on April 08, 2009 - 07:58 AM | Comment # 2549
Will you all be in Court on the 16th ? I’ll try my best to scounge up the money for a flight and meet you there. Like I said, we can all go out for cofee, my dime ??? LMFAO
So what you are saying is that you won’t scrounge up the money to be there for Kris but you will try to scrounge the money up so you have coffee with us? How very thoughtful of you but I will have to pass because I don’t want to be associated with anyone that defends animal neglect and abuse.
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by: Jo Roark on April 08, 2009 - 08:02 AM | Comment # 2550
I don’t think he was even a year old when she quit showing him.
Actually I think I am wrong on the age when she quit showing him, I believe he was older than a year, maybe 18 months, somewhere in there I guess.
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by: Don Danielson on April 08, 2009 - 08:35 AM | Comment # 2551
A reminder - keep your comments clean, respectful and focused on the story at hand or we’ll have no choice but to remove your ability to comment and/or close all commenting on this story.
Also, the Report Abuse button is for just that - reporting abuse. If you see someone in clear violation of our Terms of Use by all means report it, but difference of opinions is not abuse.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 08, 2009 - 10:52 PM | Comment # 2557
How the heck and I supposed to make money of this situation ? I live 3500 miles away from Kris ???
DUH !!If you live 3500 miles away, why do you claim to know so much about Kris? Something doesn’t fit here.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 08, 2009 - 10:55 PM | Comment # 2558
Jesus woman, get a grip.
Don’t be disrespectful Cynlajoie, and use Jesus’ name in this manner. Some of us are Christians and actually believe in Him.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 08, 2009 - 11:11 PM | Comment # 2559
1 - he was not neutered BECAUSE he was a show dog. You can’t show an altered dog.
Well Cynlajoie, this is where you have NO idea whatsoever!! Beckett had not been shown for 3 1/2 years, as Kris had complained to the breeder/co-owner that his front was not good enough. The breeder/co-owner of Beckett did tell her to neuter him, but she obviously didn’t listen. Instead she left him intact in hopes she would get a female Coton for free, but fortunate for Cotons no one gave her one. Even with his so-called bad front assembly, Kris would have bred him to a female in a heartbeat, given the opportunity. It is a blessing that she was not able to get her hands on a Coton #####. She used Maverick many, many, many times to sire puppies even though he had popping (slipping) hocks. Kris shouldn’t have ever been allowed to breed much less own a dog. She’s a menace.
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by: Jo Roark on April 09, 2009 - 07:32 AM | Comment # 2563
wipeoutpuppymills,
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You’re right, we can be grateful that no one gave her a female coton. CynLajoie is wrong on many counts, the worst part is that she is defending a woman that abused and neglected her dogs for a long time. CynLajoie has no more credibility than Kris does.
by: CynLajoie on April 09, 2009 - 08:16 AM | Comment # 2564
Jo Jo Jo.......do you live for this stuff ? The fighting, the twisting of words, the assumptions ? Is your life that sad that you have to live of the proud feelings you get by attacking others ? Sad life to say the least.
For you info, if you think you can’t be friends with someone that lives 3500 miles away, then you definately live a pathetic, isolated little bubble dont you ?
I had pen pals all over the world as a child..... and now with the net and phones......it’s very easy to be friends with someone, regardless of distance.
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by: Jo Roark on April 09, 2009 - 08:36 AM | Comment # 2565
The only reason you are defending Kris is because she is a friend of yours and not because she is innocent. I actually have a great life but this thing with Beckett has turned me inside out because that particular lineage produces dogs that are incredibly sweet and loving, I know this because I have Beckett’s half brother that I co-own with his breeder. The whole things makes me SICK TO MY STOMACH!! I hope they give her the maximum penalty.
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by: momma Jan on April 09, 2009 - 10:11 AM | Comment # 2570
--everyone --Monday--the 13th Kris will have another hearing --don’t know the time--imagine it will be another 8am showing-- I so agree with the last comment you made Jo --even serial killer Ted Bundy had friends-- Cyn is Kris’s friend--
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 09, 2009 - 04:07 PM | Comment # 2579
Jo Jo Jo.......do you live for this stuff ? The fighting, the twisting of words, the assumptions ? Is your life that sad that you have to live of the proud feelings you get by attacking others ? Sad life to say the least.
Cynlajoie...One can have a very full and happy life and still long for justice. This is what we want for these dogs that had to suffer horrible abuse and neglect by Kris Finch. WE WANT JUSTICE!! Plain and simple. We aren’t going away, you can count on that. It is very personal for Jo because of Kris’s link to the Coton de Tulear. I have followed all the comments, and Jo has only expressed her sorrow over the abuse of these dogs and wanting to make sure Kris gets what she deserves. You are uninformed, Cynlajoie. Have you seen Kris’s barn, been to her house? If you have, than you are as guilty as she is. Anyone who saw that mess and didn’t report it to the proper authorities could not be a friend to dogs. The reality is that God is the final judge, so whether the legal system can get it together or not is one thing, but you can count on God. Kris can’t escape Him.
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by: Jo Roark on April 09, 2009 - 07:37 PM | Comment # 2583
I guess its the Whatcom prosecutors that are taking over the case due to the fact that now there is a conflict of interest with regard to the Skagit County prosecutors office.
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by: Jo Roark on April 12, 2009 - 07:05 PM | Comment # 2629
--everyone --Monday--the 13th Kris will have another hearing --don’t know the time--imagine it will be another 8am showing--
momma Jan
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If you are going to the hearing tomorrow can you give us an update? Wish I could go..
by: momma Jan on April 12, 2009 - 07:26 PM | Comment # 2630
I sure will --hearing is Mon. 13th --2:30!! afternoon --thank you for not being at 8 in the morning who ever is in charge:):):) thanks for what you do Jo -wipeout-others ---for the animals --momma J
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by: Paisley on April 12, 2009 - 07:27 PM | Comment # 2631
thanks for what you do Jo -wipeout-others ---for the animals
What is that supposed to mean? “wipeout others”?
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by: Jo Roark on April 12, 2009 - 08:47 PM | Comment # 2632
What is that supposed to mean? “wipeout others”?
Its not “wipeout others”, if you read through the thread, wipeout is wipeoutpuppymills and others are those that also want to see justice done too.
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by: Jo Roark on April 12, 2009 - 08:49 PM | Comment # 2633
and thank you momma Jan :)
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by: Paisley on April 12, 2009 - 08:53 PM | Comment # 2634
Its not “wipeout others”, if you read through the thread
Ahh - got it.
those that also want to see justice done
I think everyone here wants to see justice done, just not everyone here has the same idea of who should get the justice.
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by: Jo Roark on April 12, 2009 - 09:22 PM | Comment # 2635
The dogs have not gone back to Kris so that is SOME justice. She was charged with a felony which carries 5 years and I believe 10,000, I think I could be happy with that. Then there are the misdemeanors…
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These judges need to be hard on people that abuse and neglect their animals, otherwise, its just going to keep happening.
by: Paisley on April 12, 2009 - 09:28 PM | Comment # 2636
She was charged with a felony which carries 5 years and I believe 10,000, I think I could be happy with that.
$10k I can see. 5 years? No. A year would be sufficient. 5 years in my opinion is just mean spirited and unnecessary.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 13, 2009 - 12:08 AM | Comment # 2638
10k I can see. 5 years? No. A year would be sufficient. 5 years in my opinion is just mean spirited and unnecessary.
Paisley, what about the Coton, Becket that suffered for over 5 years having to live in these unacceptable conditions? He didn’t ask to be crated and imprisoned for 5 years. He was an innocent dog.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 13, 2009 - 12:09 AM | Comment # 2639
and thank you momma Jan :)
Yes, thanks momma Jan.
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by: momma Jan on April 13, 2009 - 03:22 AM | Comment # 2641
Dear Jo --YOU are so right in intrepretating what my abreviations stood for--I was shortening “wipeoutpuppymills” and others --so much for my shortcuts:):) --5 yrs MIGHT be enough jail time for Kris… so many animals suffered from one person’s neglect --5 yrs is less than 1 month for each animal’s life she destroyed--with that in mind, 5 years seems minimul
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by: Paisley on April 13, 2009 - 05:50 AM | Comment # 2642
5 years in jail, huh? If the charges are accurate and she’s found guilty, she will be found guilty of extreme neglect, not beating dogs or putting them into a fighting ring or doing anything that would show she’s a danger to society. If she’s found guilty, 5 years is not proportionate to the crime. Without knowing all the facts and going just on what I’ve seen in the paper, a year (maybe two) seems proportionate.
Five years is just calling for blood and is mean-spirited.
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by: Jo Roark on April 13, 2009 - 07:11 AM | Comment # 2645
Paisley,
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You know what I think? I think you should go buy a crate and put yourself in it. Oh, by the way, there are no bathroom facilities in the crates so you will be going to the bathroom on the floor of the crate and sleeping in it. Oh, and something else to look forward to, you will be fed at the whim of another, sometimes you will eat and sometimes you won’t. You may not get out of your crate very often to exercise so if your muscles start to atrophy, well, that is just part of the deal when you rely on someone that has no conscience. With time you will become infested with parasites. IF YOU CAN’T OR DON’T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR ANIMALS THEN GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE THAT WILL! ITS INCREDIBLY SIMPLE, THE ANIMALS DON’T HAVE TO SUFFER! I hope she gets the maximum because she knew better.
by: Jo Roark on April 13, 2009 - 07:16 AM | Comment # 2646
Without knowing all the facts and going just on what I’ve seen in the paper, a year (maybe two) seems proportionate.
Thankfully, you are not the judge and hopefully he will have more of a conscience when it comes to the animals.
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by: CynLajoie on April 13, 2009 - 12:53 PM | Comment # 2654
Wow I see the old hens are pecking again. Do NONE Of you have a life ?
Like Paisley said. She did not beat her dogs, my word. Crating, if you had a brain, is perfectly acceptable. What about dogs in Puppy Mills that are stacked three high.
Hate to burst your bubble but crating a dog for a few hours a day is perfectly legal.
forget your moral crap.
We’re talking LEGAL !
If you have dogs that don’t get along, crating is the best way to keep them safe. They were crated in the house, while Kris was at work for 6 hours or at night when every one is sleeping rather then fighting or breeding each other.
Intact dogs FIGHT, period. If you knew anything about dogs you’d know that.
As well, if you had a clue, dogs are cave dwellers. They like crates. Leave the door open and it’s where they go. Mine hang out under my computer desk or in their crates all the time. I even have one that likes to hang out in the cats condo. Why ? Because dogs like to be in a hole, in a safety zone. It’s instinct.
You guys seriously need to sit back and think LEGAL and get your little heads out of the MORALS clouds.
What you think and what is the law are TWO very different things.
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by: Paisley on April 13, 2009 - 03:24 PM | Comment # 2661
Paisley,
You know what I think? I think you should go buy a crate and put yourself in it. Oh, by the way, there are no bathroom facilities in the crates so you will be going to the bathroom on the floor of the crate and sleeping in it. Oh, and something else to look forward to, you will be fed at the whim of another, sometimes you will eat and sometimes you won’t. You may not get out of your crate very often to exercise so if your muscles start to atrophy, well, that is just part of the deal when you rely on someone that has no conscience. With time you will become infested with parasites.Jo,
You know what I think? I can see why some people here think you’re a little off-the-beam.I didn’t say that what she did was okay, I just don’t think that 5 years in jail is proportionate to the crime - what’s more, I will be happy to wager that the judge will not give her the maximum if she’s found guilty.
IF YOU CAN’T OR DON’T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR ANIMALS THEN GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE THAT WILL! ITS INCREDIBLY SIMPLE, THE ANIMALS DON’T HAVE TO SUFFER!
Goodness. Why are you shouting? And why do you you suddenly think that I don’t take care of my own animals? Just because I don’t agree with your “hang-em-high” throw-the-book-at-em kind of “justice”?
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by: momma Jan on April 13, 2009 - 04:56 PM | Comment # 2665
today’s court session was interesting - I don’t know how to spell Kris’s attorney’s name-it sounds like “swine”—I’ll just call him that… Mr. Swine started out the session saying he regretted having to file a contempt of court against the sherrif and the county but they were not following the judges ruling -he stated the dogs were property and tried to get the judge rilled up saying how his order wasn’t being followed and if it wasn’t being upheld just what authority does the judge have?? Then a while later Mr. swine got emotional in saying 1 of the dogs has died since it’s been in Spot’s care—it seems both the prosecutor and Mr.swine say that SPOT did not follow procedures --Mr.swines motion for contempt of court was DENIED !! after court my self and a friend drove past Kris’s house --right across the street from the big lake fire dept --WHAT A MESS !!! the red back building had NO windows that I could see--only a narrow approximately 4 ft long by 8 inches wide hole in the front of the building up by the roof line --the place looked like a hazard dump!! I can’t help but wonder HOW Kris is paying for her attorney--another friend of mine was quoted a $300.00/hr rate by him for another matter-- I believe Thursday is the criminal case against Kris—Mr. swine likedto flare his arms and say he was defending the constitutional rights of Kris Finch—
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by: Paisley on April 13, 2009 - 05:12 PM | Comment # 2668
after court my self and a friend drove past Kris’s house --right across the street from the big lake fire dept --WHAT A MESS !!! the red back building had NO windows that I could see--only a narrow approximately 4 ft long by 8 inches wide hole in the front of the building up by the roof line --the place looked like a hazard dump!!
Sounds almost like the actions of a stalker. Not to mention violating her privacy.
I can’t help but wonder HOW Kris is paying for her attorney
I can’t help but wonder why you think it’s any of your business.
Mr. swine likedto flare his arms and say he was defending the constitutional rights of Kris Finch—
So? That’s what lawyers do.
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by: Bull Dog on April 13, 2009 - 06:34 PM | Comment # 2671
Momma Jan- So how does it feel to be a stalker and having to have heightened security during court sessions???? You are no better than anyone else. No one is perfect, and it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS how she is doing anything. If you continue to stalk, you can be charged with Harrassment,especially if you keep bragging about it. How would you like to find yourself in front of a judge??????
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by: momma Jan on April 13, 2009 - 08:07 PM | Comment # 2679
I can drive up any street I want—makes me laugh when you even mention stalking:):) I’m sure the citizens of Mt Vernon would not be impressed with Mr. swine and you (bull) requesting more police in court--I’ve never spoken to Kris—you and your IMAGINED threats!!! that’s how a person gets when they’ve committed a crime and want to draw attention away from THEIR actions --Kris and co. neglected, abused, terrified, and in a way, tortured the dogs (and horses) --being starved , living in your own waste, and having no freedom of movement is something for her (and you!) to be real proud of --bet the kids will always remember the positive examples set by their parents -real lessons in treating those that can’t speak for themselves like humans can----
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by: Paisley on April 13, 2009 - 08:19 PM | Comment # 2680
I can drive up any street I want
No one said you couldn’t. The problem here is that you wrote: “WHAT A MESS !!! the red back building had NO windows that I could see--only a narrow approximately 4 ft long by 8 inches wide hole in the front of the building up by the roof line --the place looked like a hazard dump!!”
Obviously, you did more than just “drive up any street”, you stopped, you looked for quite a while, and you made observations about someone’s property only to use against them as an item of gossip in a public forum. To me, that sounds like stalking (not to mention very white-trash).
makes me laugh when you even mention stalking:):)
Will you be laughing if someone presses charges against you?
that’s how a person gets when they’ve committed a crime and want to draw attention away from THEIR actions
Indeed. Just as you are attempting to do here - you are trying to divert attention away from your stalker-like activity by bringing up other things. It’s a classic case of using a red-herring.
--Kris and co. neglected, abused, terrified, and in a way, tortured the dogs (and horses) --being starved , living in your own waste, and having no freedom of movement is something for her (and you!) to be real proud of --bet the kids will always remember the positive examples set by their parents -real lessons in treating those that can’t speak for themselves like humans can----
Hardly anyone is denying with what Animal Control and the Sheriff’s Office found was horrible.
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by: momma Jan on April 13, 2009 - 09:07 PM | Comment # 2686
Paisley Dearest --unfortunately I’ve driven past Kris’s house 100’s of times and been unaward of the pain that was happening there-- I do agree it is none of my business how Kris afford’s such expensive counsel-I was just pondering the question.... ---OH, before you go call me a stalker I’m just wondering WHY YOU didn’t congratulate me for looking at the environment the crime was committed on --I would hope any informed person would try and see as much of the evidence as possible--wasn’t filth part of the case??? No matter what the crime I would consider it intelligent to revisit the circumstances especially since they support the case --again, the place looked horrible- piles of trash everywhere -just stating a fact ---
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by: Bull Dog on April 13, 2009 - 09:18 PM | Comment # 2687
And you and your company should be real proud of what you have done to the dogs since they have been in your care- breaking the leg of a dog who was muscularly structured (and I know this for a fact, because I was the one who was going to get this animal as a therapy animal, and have seen her up close and personal. Let another dog suffer for two days after breaking his back and then didn’t say anything. To me that is just as bad as what you are accusing Kris of, the only difference is is that her dogs were not abused and were not in there own body waste. And I agree fully with Paisley, you had to stop long enough to look to get that much detail about the property- just going out there and stopping IS STALKER material. If you don’t like people saying things like that about you then you need to back off. You are the reason that they had to heighten security during the court sessions.
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by: momma Jan on April 13, 2009 - 09:19 PM | Comment # 2688
OH --I do have a couple regrets--I can’t be in court Thursday --I mispelled unaware--but I really chuckle that Pasiley brought up the term “white trash” ----we can all ponder on that one:):)
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by: Bull Dog on April 13, 2009 - 09:34 PM | Comment # 2690
why should we congratulate you? You think your input of the supposed crime means jack? Are you a police officer? You sure seem to think you are. You don’t have any business trying to see anything, know anything, and for that matter, you say you pondered the question as to how kris can afford such expensive counsel? You admitted that you contacted Mr. Seguine’s office to see how much he was to retain. I want to know how SPOT retained the attorney from bellingham. If you ask me your actions are you just being plain NOSEY!!!!!
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by: Paisley on April 13, 2009 - 09:46 PM | Comment # 2691
OH, before you go call me a stalker
I didn’t call you a stalker, I pointed out that your behavior was stalker-like in nature.
I’m just wondering WHY YOU didn’t congratulate me for looking at the environment the crime was committed on --
That’s kind of an odd statement, don’t you think?
I would hope any informed person would try and see as much of the evidence as possible--wasn’t filth part of the case??? No matter what the crime I would consider it intelligent to revisit the circumstances
You’re not an investigator nor are you part of the prosecution or the defense who needs “evidence”. I can’t imagine how behaving like a stalker and nosing into someone else’s business is being an “informed person”. If the problem with the dogs was still occuring I could see the desire to gather evidence to report what’s going on. But now what you’re doing and telling us about here is just pretty doggone weird and intrusive in my opinion.
especially since they support the case
“Support the case”? What case? YOU don’t have a case, Skagit County has a case. You’re just a nosy looky-loo and amateur wannabe.
again, the place looked horrible- piles of trash everywhere -just stating a fact
Here’s an idea - since you know Kris’ address and have taken the time to stop, look, take mental notes, and gossip about it all here, what-say you give us all YOUR street address so some of us can do the same, huh? You won’t mind people from this forum posting all about whatever “evidence” can be gathered about the coniditon of your home and property, right?
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 14, 2009 - 12:51 AM | Comment # 2694
Here’s an idea - since you know Kris’ address and have taken the time to stop, look, take mental notes, and gossip about it all here, what-say you give us all YOUR street address so some of us can do the same, huh? You won’t mind people from this forum posting all about whatever “evidence” can be gathered about the coniditon of your home and property, right?
I think you need to look at this very carefully before you speak, Paisley. There are people that are concerned citizens, period. This woman (puppy-miller) got away with abuse and neglect of these animals for far too long. It’s a disgrace, and I’m sorry no one turned her in sooner that had seen her property in the past. The facts are the facts, and some of us know more about it than others. It will all come out.....I used to teach obedience classes in CA, and also show my dogs in conformation, so I am not a PETA extremist for any of you that wonder. As far as Jo is concerned, I applaud her for standing up for what is right. Bravo, I wish more of you would do the same. And momma Jan, go for it. There is nothing wrong with her driving by the subjects property. She’s not walking onto her property for goodness sake. Kris has been written up in the newspaper and also covered on King 5. It’s called news-worthy. More of you should take an interest as Jo and momma Jan have. Thanks ladies.
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by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 02:16 AM | Comment # 2696
Wow I see the old hens are pecking again. Do NONE Of you have a life ?
You certainly are doing your share of hen pecking Cynlajoie.
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by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 02:28 AM | Comment # 2697
If you have dogs that don’t get along, crating is the best way to keep them safe. They were crated in the house, while Kris was at work for 6 hours or at night when every one is sleeping rather then fighting or breeding each other.
Intact dogs FIGHT, period. If you knew anything about dogs you’d know that.
As well, if you had a clue, dogs are cave dwellers. They like crates. Leave the door open and it’s where they go. Mine hang out under my computer desk or in their crates all the time. I even have one that likes to hang out in the cats condo. Why ? Because dogs like to be in a hole, in a safety zone. It’s instinct.
My dogs think all zones are safe zones.
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Of course males fight so how could Kris, with working and all give that many males the exercise they need on a daily basis? Of course, Cynlajoie, I don’t expect you to answer that because you are 3500 miles away so what would you know? Just something to think about.
by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 02:44 AM | Comment # 2698
Thanks momma Jan for the update, do you know what time court is on Thursday?
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by: Paisley on April 14, 2009 - 06:48 AM | Comment # 2701
I think you need to look at this very carefully before you speak, Paisley. There are people that are concerned citizens, period. This woman (puppy-miller) got away with abuse and neglect of these animals for far too long. It’s a disgrace, and I’m sorry no one turned her in sooner that had seen her property in the past. The facts are the facts, and some of us know more about it than others. It will all come out.....I used to teach obedience classes in CA, and also show my dogs in conformation, so I am not a PETA extremist for any of you that wonder.
I’ve missed nothing and not one thing you wrote above is relevant to or excuses the gossip and nosiness and and intrusive nature of the comments here. Hardly anyone here denies that the animals were abused in one way or another. Yes, facts are facts, but driving to someone’s property, stopping the car to make notes about what the condition of that property is and then gossipping about it in an online forum is not fact-finding. It’s intrusive, over-the-top behavior, period.
As far as Jo is concerned, I applaud her for standing up for what is right. Bravo, I wish more of you would do the same.
From what I can tell, Jo seems to be more interested in making accusations and name-calling.
And momma Jan, go for it. There is nothing wrong with her driving by the subjects property. She’s not walking onto her property for goodness sake.
There’s nothing wrong with driving by, but stopping to gawk at her property and then broacast it all here is wrong and it’s borderline harassment. And how do you know she didn’t get out of the car and walk onto her property? Jan never said one way or the other.
Kris has been written up in the newspaper and also covered on King 5. It’s called news-worthy.
Jo and Jan are not the media. They’re private citizens who seem like obsessive nuts with an overblown sense of self importance and purpose.
More of you should take an interest as Jo and momma Jan have.
Sure, let’s invite everyone to start harassing people who haven’t yet been tried and are supposed to be considered innocent before being proven guilty.
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by: CynLajoie on April 14, 2009 - 06:57 AM | Comment # 2702
Jo
My dogs think all zones are safe zones.
Im so happy for you and your dogs.
Understandbly you have NO dog knowledge AT ALL !
And as far as hen pecking ? See how many times you’ve posted and how many times I’ve posted ?
Or does basic math elude you too ?
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by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 08:51 AM | Comment # 2706
Cynlajoie,
Just because my dogs like running and playing in the open doesn’t mean I don’t know anything about dogs. I have a lot of years of experience under my belt.The amount of postings doesn’t matter, the fact is that you choose to be on here just like everyone else.
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by: momma Jan on April 14, 2009 - 09:33 AM | Comment # 2708
Don’t know the time of the hearing on Thurs --Bull,Paisley,Cyn--YOU can continue to try and make accusations (stalking,mistreatment of poor Kris) BUT the facts are the animals SUFFERED!!! I can’t help but believe that the animals would suffer MORE if returned to Kris and that dark shed !!! I want to inform the voters that their money is being spent on extra security for an animal abuser that I have never spoken to --I can stand outside the courtroom and make noise (just like the concerned citizens did outside Michael Vicks trial)or I will come and sit quietly in the courtroom --like I’ve been doing -------just wish I was in town on Thurs ---- as far as you coming up to my house....I don’t associate with “people” like you --I hope Kris gets alot of jail time-- there that last statement should get your accusations going:):)
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by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 09:53 AM | Comment # 2710
Paisley
Jo,
You know what I think? I can see why some people here think you’re a little off-the-beam.Oh and what people might those be?
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by: Bull Dog on April 14, 2009 - 10:52 AM | Comment # 2713
The animals have suffered more in Spot’s care than they ever did with Kris. Just because you have more money than some people, doesn’t give you the right to verbally abuse or accuse someone of something. The shed that you are referring to is actually a fairly large shop, larger than the house. It has drywall, insulation, pipes insulated, even the ceiling is insulated. As far as Kris doing jail time, hopefully you will screw up with your Sherlock Holmes act and you will also face the judge. Then all of us can make snide remarks outside your courtroom and try to intimidate other people.
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by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 02:09 PM | Comment # 2718
The animals have suffered more in Spot’s care than they ever did with Kris.
So you are admitting that Kris’s dogs suffered while in her care? Its just that you are saying they are suffering more in spots care?
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by: momma Jan on April 14, 2009 - 03:34 PM | Comment # 2720
Bull -having money has nothing to do with how an animal is treated !! people that can’t afford to take care of their pets should just wait until they are in a better financial situation before aquiring them-- If a person has only 1-2 pets there are many organizations where animal food is included --I support a couple of these places locally (shelter, food bank,etc.) --WHY is she still trying to get the dogs back when it’s been documented the condition they were in?? --the only reason she might get some dogs back is because of a technicality
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by: Paisley on April 14, 2009 - 05:21 PM | Comment # 2726
Bull,Paisley,Cyn--YOU can continue to try and make accusations (stalking,mistreatment of poor Kris) BUT the facts are the animals SUFFERED!!!
Please don’t put me in the same category with CynLajoie or anyone else here who is defending Kris Finch and her mistreatment of animals. Just because I don’t agree with your stalker-like activities and gossipping in this forum, that is no indication of how I feel about the manner in which those animals appear to have been mistreated and neglected. Get that straight in your head, okay? I never once said “poor Kris”. I never said it, and I never implied it. The facts are that the animals did suffer, but, the facts are also that you were behaving like an obsessed stalker and essentially invading Kris Finch’s privacy by parking your vehicle and taking stock of what the condition of her property is in. Like I said yesterday, if we had your address and were able to drive by, how would you like it if people you don’t know parked by the side of the road and took notes about your home and then reported what they saw (or what they think they saw) in a public forum? I think it’s safe to say you wouldn’t like it in the least. Whether or not Kris Finch is guilty is no reason to invade her privacy. No reason at all.
I can’t help but believe that the animals would suffer MORE if returned to Kris and that dark shed !!!
Yes, they likely would. Isn’t that why they were taken in the first place?
I want to inform the voters that their money is being spent on extra security for an animal abuser that I have never spoken to
If taxpayer money is being spent that way, someone who makes those types of decisions had to think it is necessary and it had to be approved, probably by a judge. So what?
as far as you coming up to my house....I don’t associate with “people” like you
“People like” me? What is that supposed to mean?
--I hope Kris gets alot of jail time-- there that last statement should get your accusations going:):)
What “accusations”? I never said anything about you that you didn’t admit (or clearly demonstrate) yourself.
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by: justthefacts on April 14, 2009 - 05:36 PM | Comment # 2727
Bull Dog
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There is no point in trying to reason with Jo and Janet (momma Jan)they are not here to here anything but there own opinions and that is in fact exactly what they are opinions. No one has seen the pic’s, even if they were in court they could not see them, I know I was there for many of the proceedings. They are basing everything off of there own opinions and slamming someone that may be innocent. It is the hang them high and guilty till proven innocent mentality.
I think it is funny that in 20 pages of drivel no one has commented on the fact that SPOT is using the dogs that were not even supposed to be in there care to get money out of someone, they don’t even care who Mrs. Finch or the County it does not matter just show us the money. In my opinion the county should be responsible; they were the ones that contracted with such a disrespectable organization.
And driving by some ones home slowly to gather info then posting it in public forum is in my opinion Stalking and really shows your true character. Do you people really have that little faith in the court system that you feel the need to take matters into your own hands? What about a persons civil rights, the constitution, and the right to some privacy? How about I come and sit outside your house I would bet you would have a fit even call the police. How is this different then what you did she is in fact still innocent until she is proven guilty at least in the real world.
by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 14, 2009 - 06:07 PM | Comment # 2729
WHY is she still trying to get the dogs back when it’s been documented the condition they were in?? --the only reason she might get some dogs back is because of a technicality
I wonder the same thing too, momma Jan. Particularly, because Kris doesn’t have the funds to properly care for these animals or a good, clean facility. She not only lacks money, but compassion, and common sense. Her training methods are cruel. She has no business ever getting those poor little dogs back. They deserve better, and they will get it, but not with Kris.
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by: justthefacts on April 14, 2009 - 06:20 PM | Comment # 2730
Wipeoutpuppymills
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Where do you get your info? You seem to know alot about her I don’t think her training methods have ever been discussed. How do you know how much money she has?
by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 08:29 PM | Comment # 2735
You know what “justthefacts” a lot of people know a lot of things but doesn’t mean they are going to talk about it :) At least, not yet..
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by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 08:45 PM | Comment # 2736
Paisley,
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You still haven’t answered my question.
by: justthefacts on April 14, 2009 - 09:08 PM | Comment # 2737
You know what “justthefacts” a lot of people know a lot of things but doesn’t mean they are going to talk about it :) At least, not yet
What kind of a round about non answer is that? Oh… I get it we know best so don’t question us.
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by: justthefacts on April 14, 2009 - 09:42 PM | Comment # 2738
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From re-reading the posts it looks like your only contact with Mrs. Finch is in the show ring and through a co-owner. This does not give you any facts on her or how she cares for her animals. If your info comes from the news I can say with full certainty that your info is far from accurate I was in court and I do know what was said. You sit back and bash someone without the facts or any relevant information is incredibly irresponsible. Get real information not gossip and hear say and comment on that
by: Jo Roark on April 14, 2009 - 11:07 PM | Comment # 2741
I shouldn’t have to repeat myself but here goes:
You know what “justthefacts” a lot of people know a lot of things but doesn’t mean they are going to talk about it :) At least, not yet
If I was getting my information from the news that has been talked about, correct? So there ya go…
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by: justthefacts on April 14, 2009 - 11:17 PM | Comment # 2743
And like I said that is far from correct! So there ya go…
I thought my statement was clear but just so you don’t have to repeat yourself again.For the record “a lot of people know a lot of things” is a very broad statement and means nothing without something to back it up.
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 06:39 AM | Comment # 2747
“a lot of people know a lot of things” is a very broad statement and means nothing without something to back it up.
Just a hunch, but I’m betting the statement more accurately means “a lot of people know and have spread a lot of gossip about her”.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 07:22 AM | Comment # 2748
And like I said that is far from correct! So there ya go…
I thought my statement was clear but just so you don’t have to repeat yourself again.For the record “a lot of people know a lot of things” is a very broad statement and means nothing without something to back it up.
If you had read my statement correctly you would have realized I haven’t gotten anything from the news, I don’t even have a television because it is too much of a waste of my time. I believe the county would not confiscate dogs that were well fed and properly cared for. With most of Kris’s dogs being intact males how does she have enough time in a day to properly exercise them? They have to be separated otherwise they will fight, there are no separate dog runs on the property for them to be outside. Some things are just obvious.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 08:36 AM | Comment # 2752
Paisley,
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Better not depend on your hunches..
Why haven’t you answered the question I asked you a long time ago?
by: merryweather on April 15, 2009 - 10:41 AM | Comment # 2759
Ok… first time posting, long time reading. Does anyone understand that the reason SPOT has placed a lien on the dogs in their care may not for monetary gain at all, but instead to induce Finch to give them up, so that they can be given better homes? As far as I can see, SPOT seems to have no interest in the money whatsoever. I think it would be reasonable to think that the lawsuit is not to financially penalize anyone, but to halt proceedings so that these animals can be given a chance. Insinuating that SPOT is in it just for the money is slanderous and speaks to the same “mudslinging” I’ve seen throughout this post. A lot of clod-throwing, but not much truth or discussion of the matter at hand.
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by: Crystal Rose on April 15, 2009 - 11:03 AM | Comment # 2760
I see the same old people are spouting off the same old crap and have no lives what so ever. I got disgusted when I started reading through all the posts one at a time so I just scanned through them. I know the employee who purchased Kris’s dog, she went out to her house and saw the conditions of the dogs and had several dogs to choose from. And is not happy with the way she has been misrepresented by a certain nosey old bitty on here. With the state of the economy and how many animals in the county that are in need of homes and care wouldn’t some peoples time be better spent “saving” them then sitting on a computer and bashing just one breeder?
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 11:05 AM | Comment # 2762
Ok… first time posting, long time reading. Does anyone understand that the reason SPOT has placed a lien on the dogs in their care may not for monetary gain at all, but instead to induce Finch to give them up, so that they can be given better homes? As far as I can see, SPOT seems to have no interest in the money whatsoever. I think it would be reasonable to think that the lawsuit is not to financially penalize anyone, but to halt proceedings so that these animals can be given a chance. Insinuating that SPOT is in it just for the money is slanderous and speaks to the same “mudslinging” I’ve seen throughout this post. A lot of clod-throwing, but not much truth or discussion of the matter at hand.
I suspect you are correct in your assessment. There would be no reason to SPOT to want to keep Kris’s dogs if they had been well cared for. Certainly, the county can’t afford to become embroiled in a lawsuit for taking someones dogs unlawfully.
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by: momma Jan on April 15, 2009 - 02:42 PM | Comment # 2765
I’ll gladly be the “nosey old bitty"-HA --well when my friend and I talked to the employee at pet’s mart -at first she said she went to Kris’s house THEN when I asked if she WENT there she said no --my friend and I both were there when she said that!!-BUT thanks for reminding me to contact PetsMart corporate headquarters again--re: their employee with a felony animal abuse charge against them --- the whole point is --THERE’S NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE !!! I regret I’ll be out of town when the next court date happens-- but I’ll be back --looking forward to all the imaginary scenerios the few of you can make up about me -"taking notes about Kris’s property, possibly getting out of my car to check out the property,stalking, “ --I will still argue that 28 dogs SHOULD NOT be kept in that unsafe environment-- My garage is insulated,sheetrocked,has plumbingand carpet on the floor-I still wouldn’teave my dogs in there during hot and cold months!! little ventilation --I have garage doors,windows,and another door that opens and it’s still too hot in the summer and cold in the winter to leave living animals for an extended period of time --again NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE!!!!!!
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 03:04 PM | Comment # 2767
looking forward to all the imaginary scenerios the few of you can make up about me -"taking notes about Kris’s property, possibly getting out of my car to check out the property,stalking,
Talk about your “imaginary scenarios”. Who has said that you got out of your car, took actual notes, and that you were stalking?
Try telling the truth (or reading what’s actually there) - what was said is that you stopped by the side of the road, took mental notes, and that your behavior seemed stalker-like in nature. Now...would you like to give it another try?
(and I notice you didn’t deny you are gossipping here; maybe you recognize that’s exactly what the majority of your posts have amounted to)
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by: momma Jan on April 15, 2009 - 03:26 PM | Comment # 2768
Paisly--why should I “admit” to anything?--especially when the asking is coming from you and others I could care less about!!! If you would re read ALL the comments here you would see I was quoting from other people’s comments --look back and get some reference—NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE --like I stated previously--Ted Bundy was a serial killer all the while he was charming and had a few friends --you are Kris’s friends—ignoring the care those poor animals suffered at the hands of YOUR friend is a crime in itself to me----
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 04:45 PM | Comment # 2775
Momma Jan,
Paisley said according to others I seem a little bit off the beam and I asked her, what people? She can’t give me an answer so as far as I am concerned she has nothing to offer but empty statements.It sounds to me like justthefacts and paisley have become 2 of kris’s newest followers.
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 05:30 PM | Comment # 2776
the asking is coming from you and others I could care less about!!!
You’re funny, Jan You “care less” about me so much that you keep responding to me. LOL
I was quoting from other people’s comments
Which comments said that you got out of the car, took actual notes, and were indeed a stalker?
Ted Bundy was a serial killer all the while he was charming and had a few friends
Kris Finch is nothing like Ted Bundy, who was a sociopathic serial killer.
you are Kris’s friends—ignoring the care those poor animals suffered at the hands of YOUR friend is a crime in itself to me
What is wrong with you? Yesterday I plainly wrote, “Please don’t put me in the same category with CynLajoie or anyone else here who is defending Kris Finch and her mistreatment of animals. Just because I don’t agree with your stalker-like activities and gossipping in this forum, that is no indication of how I feel about the manner in which those animals appear to have been mistreated and neglected. Get that straight in your head, okay? I never once said “poor Kris”. I never said it, and I never implied it.”
I am not defending Kris Finch. I don’t agree with your gossipping, your stalker-like activities, your speculations and your wild exaggerations. Disagreeing with your choice to be stupid doesn’t mean I am a “friend of Kris Finch”.
Grow up, “momma”.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 05:49 PM | Comment # 2777
I highly suspect “Paisley” is no other than “LivinUpriver”, and that would be why she has nothing to offer..
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 06:01 PM | Comment # 2778
I highly suspect “Paisley” is no other than “LivinUpriver”
Because I don’t give in to your demands to answer one question suddenly you imagine me to be someone I am not? That’s funny.
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by: momma Jan on April 15, 2009 - 06:32 PM | Comment # 2780
Jo--I also was wondering if this was a “new” Kris fan club or old faces with NEW names- hummmmm-- Ted Bundy was cruel and unsympathic to his victims---that is my analogy with Kris --anyway I thank Jo-Wipeout-foster homes,and all the other PEOPLE that speak up for the innocent loving animals that depend on us to treat them with care---it’s just arrogant to even make an excuse for animal abusers—there is no palatable reason for humans to feel entitled to neglect, hurt, starve,and mistreat animals just because humans have more physical power—
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 06:53 PM | Comment # 2781
No, it isn’t just the question, its your whole attitude. Its the picking apart people’s conversations bit by tiny bit, its compulsive and I don’t know of anyone one else that IS so compulsive about it.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 06:54 PM | Comment # 2782
Jo--I also was wondering if this was a “new” Kris fan club or old faces with NEW names- hummmmm-- Ted Bundy was cruel and unsympathic to his victims---that is my analogy with Kris --anyway I thank Jo-Wipeout-foster homes,and all the other PEOPLE that speak up for the innocent loving animals that depend on us to treat them with care---it’s just arrogant to even make an excuse for animal abusers—there is no palatable reason for humans to feel entitled to neglect, hurt, starve,and mistreat animals just because humans have more physical power—
I could have not said it better myself :)
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by: Bull Dog on April 15, 2009 - 07:03 PM | Comment # 2783
Jo- You read what you want into what i wrote, but you know exactly what i was saying. Kris and her animals were doing just fine until some ditzy animal control person let her own opinion cloud her judgment. Ann Jackson, RIP, saw something that could be improved, told Kris, and Kris did it. Ann Jackson RIP helped Kris improve her shelters for the animals and did that as part of her job. Your trying to turn my words around so it sounds like Kris did abuse her animals is not the best thing to be done. Spot killed one of her dogs broke the leg of another one of her dogs and who knows what else they’ve done. Everything Spot does is shushed up. You need to get a life.
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by: Bull Dog on April 15, 2009 - 07:07 PM | Comment # 2784
This is for Paisley, this person has asked politely not to be treated like momma jan would treat me or any other of Kris’s friends. Paisley is just getting some facts, she is not for Kris, she has just noticed some differences. I think we should respect her wishes and leave her alone. Think you can do that Jo? Momma Jan?
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by: Bull Dog on April 15, 2009 - 07:12 PM | Comment # 2785
Hey Jo- Just a little advise, don’t take lessons about altered and unaltered animals from county. They deemed most of Kris’s dogs unaltered and got one that was altered correct.. Boy that looks good.
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by: Bull Dog on April 15, 2009 - 07:14 PM | Comment # 2786
Spot has put a lien against Kris’s dogs because they want to auction them off. It was posted on the spot webpage not to long ago, non profit my rear.
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by: Bull Dog on April 15, 2009 - 07:22 PM | Comment # 2788
Momma Jan- You got a lot of ball’s referring to Ted Bundy. This is nothing like that and you know it. It doesn’t matter how many friends Kris has. You going around and accusing her before she has even been charged with anything. Think about it. Don’t bring Ted Bundy up again or for that matter anything like that, Kris is no where near being like ted bundy. Her dogs didn’t get injured in her care like they did in spots.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 08:29 PM | Comment # 2791
Bull Dog
Ignore this member
April 15, 2009 - 08:12 PM | Comment # 2785 |Hey Jo- Just a little advise, don’t take lessons about altered and unaltered animals from county. They deemed most of Kris’s dogs unaltered and got one that was altered correct.. Boy that looks good.
Actually, Cynlajoie said most of Kris’s dogs were intact males, as far as I know the county never said a thing.
Just so you are aware, Kris has been charged..
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 09:22 PM | Comment # 2792
Bulldog
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Dogs backs don’t just break for no reason, the muscles along the spine atrophied from being caged for so long while in Kris’s care, it sickens me. Poor dogs life must have been hell.
by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 09:27 PM | Comment # 2793
No, it isn’t just the question, its your whole attitude.
Somehow, I think that the “attitude” you are referring to is someone who doesn’t necessarily agree with you and hop on the bandwagon you are on.
Its the picking apart people’s conversations bit by tiny bit, its compulsive and I don’t know of anyone one else that IS so compulsive about it.
Are you a psychologist? Compulsive? LOL Answering people’s posts by points is not “compulsive”, it’s called having a discussion, and it’s been done for a couple of decades in discussion boards all over the internet. It’s nothing new. If you think everyone who posts like that to be one particular person, then that person must be in every message board and discussion board all over the web.
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 09:31 PM | Comment # 2794
I also was wondering if this was a “new” Kris fan club or old faces with NEW names
You two seriously need to get a life.
Ted Bundy was cruel and unsympathic to his victims---that is my analogy with Kris
Ted Bundy was a sociopathic serial killer - is Kris a sociopathic serial killer? No, she’s not and you’re getting very close to committing libel. Tell me, how does stupidly comparing someone to a serial killer help to stop animal abuse, Jan?
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 09:33 PM | Comment # 2795
the muscles along the spine atrophied from being caged for so long
You know this for a fact? Have you seen the vet’s report stating this? Or are you just guessing?
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 09:38 PM | Comment # 2798
You know this for a fact? Have you seen the vet’s report stating this? Or are you just guessing?
Yep, sure do.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 09:41 PM | Comment # 2799
Are you a psychologist? Compulsive? LOL Answering people’s posts by points is not “compulsive”, it’s called having a discussion, and it’s been done for a couple of decades in discussion boards all over the internet. It’s nothing new. If you think everyone who posts like that to be one particular person, then that person must be in every message board and discussion board all over the web.
You are compulsive, it doesn’t take a psychologist to see the obvious..
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 09:45 PM | Comment # 2800
Paisley,
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You don’t even talk about the actual issue because you are too busy picking everyone else apart. Quit worrying about everyone else and come up with something constructive.
by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 09:48 PM | Comment # 2801
You are compulsive, it doesn’t take a psychologist to see the obvious..
And you’re way off base. I guess it takes those who aren’t one of your partners in gossip and rumor mongering to see that.
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 09:52 PM | Comment # 2802
You don’t even talk about the actual issue because you are too busy picking everyone else apart. Quit worrying about everyone else and come up with something constructive.
You don’t talk about the issue, you make stuff up, spread rumors and gossip and speculate, speculate, speculate.
Here’s a news flash for you: rumors, gossip, speculation and pseudo psycho-analysis aren’t constructive. It’s all just garbage.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 09:55 PM | Comment # 2803
Paisley,
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In the beginning you said you didn’t know much about the case, well, you still don’t. Can you prove what we are saying isn’t true? Or are you just assuming we are wrong?
by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 10:01 PM | Comment # 2804
Paisley,
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I don’t particularly care what you think because it will all come out in the wash..
by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 10:04 PM | Comment # 2805
Can you prove what we are saying isn’t true? Or are you just assuming we are wrong?
The onus is on you to prove what you are claiming is righ,t not me (or anyone else) to prove what you are saying is wrong.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 10:25 PM | Comment # 2806
HA! I knew it was you Livin’. Actually, you made a statement that we were wrong so if you can’t prove that then you are just as full of hot air as you have always been.
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 10:34 PM | Comment # 2807
HA! I knew it was you Livin’. Actually, you made a statement that we were wrong so if you can’t prove that then you are just as full of hot air as you have always been.
You seem kinda paranoid, do you know that?
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by: merryweather on April 15, 2009 - 10:39 PM | Comment # 2808
Spot has put a lien against Kris’s dogs because they want to auction them off. It was posted on the spot webpage not to long ago, non profit my rear.
Seriously?!?!?!? Are you kidding me?!?!?!?! Where is this “information” coming from? Do you not understand the basic princples of pet adoption? Animals are not auctioned off willy-nilly to the highest bidder for the purpose of making an organization money. It’s about finding the most suitable home. Adoption fees (not AUCTION proceeds) cover basic expenses such as spaying, neutering and vaccinations, as well as being used to help other animals who haven’t found the right home yet. It is irresponsible to make SPOT out to be the “bad guy”, splashing about accusations about financial greed. I think that it’s time to take a step back and rationally look at the situation.
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by: Jo Roark on April 15, 2009 - 10:48 PM | Comment # 2809
I knew it was you but I wasn’t positive until your last statement. You told me the onus was on me before. Of course, it wasn’t but you couldn’t prove your point then either
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by: merryweather on April 15, 2009 - 10:50 PM | Comment # 2810
Since there seems to be a lot of confusion and misquotation on this board (and I’m new and am not familiar with the proper way to quote another post), I want to clarify that only the comments starting with “Seriously?!?!?!?...” are mine.
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by: Paisley on April 15, 2009 - 10:55 PM | Comment # 2811
I knew it was you but I wasn’t positive until your last statement. You told me the onus was on me before. Of course, it wasn’t but you couldn’t prove your point then either
You are barking up the wrong tree lady. “Onus” is a nothing new and I’m pretty sure I’ve read other posts that have used that concept, one the other day, I think. If you think that people who use the same words are also the same people you really must be paranoid. You called me compulsive, you should look in the mirror.
I’m me and only me, I don’t have time to play games trying to be someone else. Apparently you have too much time to sit around and analyze people’s posts picking out similarities and playing detective (like Jan who thinkgs she’s playing detective, too).
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by: biteme18_21 on April 15, 2009 - 11:07 PM | Comment # 2812
Jo-
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How do you figure Paisley is Livin, just by a statement????
by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 15, 2009 - 11:54 PM | Comment # 2813
Kris and her animals were doing just fine until some ditzy animal control person let her own opinion cloud her judgment.
Sorry Bulldog that is where you fall flat. You are wrong, and obviously don’t know what went on with this woman’s dogs and the horrible conditions they had to endure. Yes, without revealing who we are there are some of us that know more than others about this case. All I want for the dogs are loving homes that can properly care for them, and that doesn’t include Kris, no way, no how.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 16, 2009 - 12:02 AM | Comment # 2814
Paisley,
You don’t even talk about the actual issue because you are too busy picking everyone else apart. Quit worrying about everyone else and come up with something constructive.You are so right Jo! Let’s not veer off the facts here, Paisley. You disect every word from each poster that you don’t agree with. Let us get back to what is important, the 40 dogs and 2 ponies that were confiscated from Kris Finch’s house and barn. We can’t lose sight of that even though a few of you would like us to stop talking about it. If you don’t like it, then don’t read the comments.
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by: Paisley on April 16, 2009 - 06:43 AM | Comment # 2816
Let’s not veer off the facts here, Paisley. You disect every word from each poster that you don’t agree with.
I think you are sounding just as silly as Jo. It is customary in message boards like this one to use quotations to make points. When you talk to others do you interject comments or do you always let that person talk and then wait until they’ve spoken for minutes on end and then add something to the discussion? it’s no different here.
Let us get back to what is important, the 40 dogs and 2 ponies that were confiscated from Kris Finch’s house and barn.
Yes, that is important. They were confiscated and now they are somewhere else and now Kris Finch is standing trial for what she has been charged with. What more can be said that hasn’t been said in 200+ posts? The only thing I am seeing is gossip, speculation, and more gossip. The facts are out. Until more facts come out, the real conversation is done. But there are some who seem to think gossip and innuendo and speculation is adding to the discussion. It doesn’t. It just makes those who partake in it look like losers, if you ask me.
We can’t lose sight of that even though a few of you would like us to stop talking about it.
I just wish the gossiping and stupid speculation would stop. I don’t want the actual discussion to stop. But like I said, until more facts come out, there really isn’t any more to be said on this topic.
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by: Jo Roark on April 16, 2009 - 07:13 AM | Comment # 2818
Jo-
How do you figure Paisley is Livin, just by a statement????No, its more than that. She seems to find it her job to pick everything everyone else says instead of talking about the articles. Paisleys style of writing is the same and the last time I saw livin’ everyone had put her on ignore.
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by: Jo Roark on April 16, 2009 - 07:25 AM | Comment # 2819
It just makes those who partake in it look like losers, if you ask me.
I don’t believe anyone asked you anything, you admitted to didn’t know anything so why bother.
I just wish the gossiping and stupid speculation would stop. I don’t want the actual discussion to stop. But like I said, until more facts come out, there really isn’t any more to be said on this topic.
That is your opinion, admittedly you said you didn’t know much about the case and apparently you still don’t. You are making a lot of assumptions.
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by: Jo Roark on April 16, 2009 - 07:32 AM | Comment # 2820
Bulldog,
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The animal control officer is hardly ditzy, the only reason you are saying that she’s ditzy is because you are on Kris’s side.
by: Jo Roark on April 16, 2009 - 07:35 AM | Comment # 2821
Paisley,
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So tell us what is the gossip you are talking about?
by: lovinskagit on April 16, 2009 - 10:36 AM | Comment # 2828
She has another court date today at either 1:00 or 1:30 if anyone is interested.
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by: momma Jan on April 16, 2009 - 11:46 AM | Comment # 2835
gee I wish I was going to be around so I could continue with this BUT------ one correction --Emily Diaz, the animal control officer said in court she had been to Kris’s house MANY times previously --Kris always asked for the specific LAW that said animals should NOT be caged most of the day every day --animal control was NEVER invited to the shed -this was NOT a surprise to Kris and Co.—she had numerous “warnings” to clean up her act --a valid kennel person always has an open door policy as they have nothing to HIDE--I just can’t believe a person would be so cruel even after being “counseled” from previous animal control officers---- NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE—
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by: momma Jan on April 16, 2009 - 11:49 AM | Comment # 2836
also the way the court system works (I’ve been told) is....a person hardly EVER serves the full length of their sentence --so with good behavior I’m sure if Kris got a 5yr sentence she would likely be out in 1/3 the time --a one yr sentence would mean she would only serve approximately 4 months!!
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by: Jo Roark on April 16, 2009 - 02:27 PM | Comment # 2847
also the way the court system works (I’ve been told) is....a person hardly EVER serves the full length of their sentence --so with good behavior I’m sure if Kris got a 5yr sentence she would likely be out in 1/3 the time --a one yr sentence would mean she would only serve approximately 4 months!!
Our justice system is terrible, crime really does pay. We need to get judges on the bench that will follow the law instead of making deals.
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by: CynLajoie on April 19, 2009 - 01:22 PM | Comment # 2961
Can one of you Einsteins show me the law that dictates how long a dog can be crated in a 14 hour period ?
Well I show you then.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Amendments/House/5651-S.E AMH JUDI TANG 080.pdf
This law was only passed April 8 2009. BEfore that there wasn’t even a law in Skagit County OR the State of Washington regarding length of time in a crate.
ONE HOUR per day to TECHNICALLY according to the LAW, you all remember what that is right ? Well anyone according to the law, a dog can be crated/caged 23 out of 24 hours.
Hmmmmmmmmmm can we say CASE DISMISSED !!!
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by: CynLajoie on April 19, 2009 - 01:23 PM | Comment # 2962
REMOVE your emotions people and go according to the LAW !!
She is charged with the skinny horse (felony count) and the rest pertain to the dogs in the house in Crates for up to 18 hours a day.
Well according to the new law, 18 hours a day is acceptable.
Think Skagit County will have more brains then the lot of you and dismiss the case ?
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 19, 2009 - 08:39 PM | Comment # 2980
Can one of you Einsteins show me the law that dictates how long a dog can be crated in a 14 hour period ?
Common sense dictates it. I would be very concerned if you are caring for dogs yourself since you think 14 hours in a crate is HUMANE. Quit defending someone who has no defense. Animal cruelty is inexcusable. Good thing you ARE NOT the judge.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 19, 2009 - 08:46 PM | Comment # 2982
Well anyone according to the law, a dog can be crated/caged 23 out of 24 hours.
I can’t believe you are defending this mess. Get a grip Cynlajoie. Now it is 18 HOURS of crating/caging. This is RIDICULOUS!! If you are inhumane to animals you must pay the consequences. You can lose your dogs, there are fines, jail time, whatever the courts feel is necessary. If Kris Finch doesn’t like it, she shouldn’t have abused her animals. Too bad. I don’t care what she thinks, I care about the welfare of her animals, they have no one to defend them.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 19, 2009 - 08:52 PM | Comment # 2984
REMOVE your emotions people and go according to the LAW !!
Cynlajoie, I suppose we should have asked her starving dogs and ponies to remove their hunger pangs. Is this too emotional for you? They sat hungry, cooped up in filthy, stinky cages some with horrible sores just hoping someone would tend to their needs. I hope you truly are in Canada, because we don’t WANT a breeder like you in the USA. You and Kris are of like minds. If you can defend an animal abuser than you are no better.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 19, 2009 - 09:00 PM | Comment # 2985
The facts are out. Until more facts come out, the real conversation is done. But there are some who seem to think gossip and innuendo and speculation is adding to the discussion. It doesn’t. It just makes those who partake in it look like losers, if you ask me.
Paisley, this has nothing to do with gossip. I believe those that are commenting that truly love animals are trying to find a way to make sense of such horror. Yes, horror! Maybe those of us commenting are finding a way to heal, because the thought of what those poor animals went through is simply heartbreaking.
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by: Jo Roark on April 19, 2009 - 10:47 PM | Comment # 2989
Can one of you Einsteins show me the law that dictates how long a dog can be crated in a 14 hour period ?
Well I show you then.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Amendments/House/5651-S.E AMH JUDI TANG 080.pdf
This law was only passed April 8 2009. BEfore that there wasn’t even a law in Skagit County OR the State of Washington regarding length of time in a crate.
ONE HOUR per day to TECHNICALLY according to the LAW, you all remember what that is right ? Well anyone according to the law, a dog can be crated/caged 23 out of 24 hours.
Hmmmmmmmmmm can we say CASE DISMISSED !!!
Thats sick! Does it also say that people can starve their dogs? I bet it doesn’t, Kris loses :)
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by: Jo Roark on April 19, 2009 - 11:25 PM | Comment # 2990
you are right wipeoutpuppymills, we certainly don’t need more animal abusers here..
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Kris isn’t going to just walk away from this, even if the law states that animals can be crated 18 hours a day they still have to be fed and not abused. Her biggest mistake is not feeding her dogs, starving animals is against the law.
by: CynLajoie on April 20, 2009 - 05:46 PM | Comment # 3017
Jo says
I believe the county would not confiscate dogs that were well fed and properly cared for. With most of Kris’s dogs being intact males how does she have enough time in a day to properly exercise them? They have to be separated otherwise they will fight, there are no separate dog runs on the property for them to be outside. Some things are just obvious.
Are you THAT naive ?? Wow.
You truly do live under a rock don’t you ?
No......the County, whether it be Skagit or any other never takes an animal it shouldn’t. Would you like a list a mile long of cases when I can back it up with video ?
The most recent comes to mind. An elderly lady in NJ. She had 83 cats confiscated two days ago. They were up to date on vet care, well fed, in overall good shape. YET the old lady is charged with cruelty to animals because she is a typical hoarder and her 1.7 million dollar home was a disaster inside.
BUT thinking BY LAW, should she have lost her pets ? Should she be charged.
The cats were all in good health.
No....Counties never take animals for no reason. They never violate the law.
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by: CynLajoie on April 20, 2009 - 05:49 PM | Comment # 3018
merryweather says
Does anyone understand that the reason SPOT has placed a lien on the dogs in their care may not for monetary gain at all, but instead to induce Finch to give them up, so that they can be given better homes? As far as I can see, SPOT seems to have no interest in the money whatsoever.
Really ? Then why is SPOT not only suing Kris but also her estranged husband (who lives in his own home) PLUS Skagit County ?
They want their MONEY.......or they would return th 28 dogs the Court ordered them to return.
They can’t make the rules.
They can’t make the lawsThe Court decides and it has......
SPOT as of this moment and every single Foster home that has one of those 28 dogs that belong to Kris Finch, is in possession of stolen property and I SOOOOOOOOOO wish I could be in on the actual pick ups when Kris goes to get her dogs back and they all get charged.
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by: CynLajoie on April 20, 2009 - 06:01 PM | Comment # 3019
Jo says
You know this for a fact? Have you seen the vet’s report stating this? Or are you just guessing?
You are such a liar. I’ve seen the Vet papers and it said NOTHING On it about the dog having any previous condition.
It did state however that the injury was caused by allowing him to frolic with two intact females thus injuring his back after humping them no stop for 3 days.
THEN it took the foster family (again on the Vets papers) 2 days to get him medical attention.
BY that point, the injury was not able to be correct by surgery and the dog was KILLED.
How is any of that Kris’ fault ?
Did any of Kris dogs die or get injured in her care ? NOPE.
But one dead,,,,,,,,,,,one broken leg and one missing in SPOT’s care.
Wow.......are you outraged ? I am
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by: CynLajoie on April 20, 2009 - 06:07 PM | Comment # 3021
Common sense dictates it. I would be very concerned if you are caring for dogs yourself since you think 14 hours in a crate is HUMANE. Quit defending someone who has no defense. Animal cruelty is inexcusable. Good thing you ARE NOT the judge.
I can’t believe you are defending this mess. Get a grip Cynlajoie. Now it is 18 HOURS of crating/caging. This is RIDICULOUS!! If you are inhumane to animals you must pay the consequences. You can lose your dogs, there are fines, jail time, whatever the courts feel is necessary. If Kris Finch doesn’t like it, she shouldn’t have abused her animals. Too bad. I don’t care what she thinks, I care about the welfare of her animals, they have no one to defend them.
Are you too retarded to know the difference between what YOU think is right and what the law is ?????
You should like Emily Diaz.
FACT is in WA State a dog can spend up to 23 hours a day in a crate
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by: CynLajoie on April 20, 2009 - 06:08 PM | Comment # 3022
They sat hungry, cooped up in filthy, stinky cages some with horrible sores just hoping someone would tend to their needs.
see how the hens gossip and spread lies ?
No sores.
No filthy pensWanna try again
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by: Jo Roark on April 20, 2009 - 06:24 PM | Comment # 3023
CynLajoie,
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You don’t have any credibility, you are in eastern Canada! YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING!
by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 20, 2009 - 06:28 PM | Comment # 3024
No sores.
No filthy pens
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You must remember Cynlajoie, some of us were there. How about gangrene? Does that happen overnight on an animal without open wounds that have been left to get infected? I seriously don’t think you know who you are defending or you are simply as pathetic and sick as she is. How about dogs that have been left in the dark so long without any daylight that they have trouble even adjusting to the light? It took 4 days to clean up the inside of her FILTHY house. No filthy, dirty crates according to you? Were you there? I don’t think so, and your information is DEAD WRONG!! Wall to wall filth. You should be better informed, but unfortunately you are too interested in spreading your progaganda. Sorry, it won’t work for those of us that know what went on. What Kris did to those poor animals is horrific. It won’t soon be forgotten either. This won’t go away quietly, no way, no how! I suppose you starve your dogs too? By the way, that is against law. You seem to think it is just fine though.
by: Jo Roark on April 20, 2009 - 06:29 PM | Comment # 3025
Jo says
You know this for a fact? Have you seen the vet’s report stating this? Or are you just guessing?
You are such a liar. I’ve seen the Vet papers and it said NOTHING On it about the dog having any previous condition.
It did state however that the injury was caused by allowing him to frolic with two intact females thus injuring his back after humping them no stop for 3 days.
THEN it took the foster family (again on the Vets papers) 2 days to get him medical attention.
BY that point, the injury was not able to be correct by surgery and the dog was KILLED.
How is any of that Kris’ fault ?
Did any of Kris dogs die or get injured in her care ? NOPE.
But one dead,,,,,,,,,,,one broken leg and one missing in SPOT’s care.
Wow.......are you outraged ? I am
I already know what happened, no need to cover up for Kris.
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by: Jo Roark on April 20, 2009 - 06:34 PM | Comment # 3026
Are you too retarded to know the difference between what YOU think is right and what the law is ?????
You should like Emily Diaz.
FACT is in WA State a dog can spend up to 23 hours a day in a crate
Ahhh, CynLajoie is resorting to name calling, we must be getting to her wipeoutpuppymills :)
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 20, 2009 - 06:38 PM | Comment # 3027
BY that point, the injury was not able to be correct by surgery and the dog was KILLED.
How is any of that Kris’ fault ?You have NO CLUE of what went on. Beckett had severe muscle wasting. Why? Because Kris Finch kept him in a crate DAY and NIGHT! Do you think that you can comprehend that now? She abused the living HELL out of that sweet Coton. And you want to blame SPOT for that? You are really, really twisted. You obviously have no morals or ethics, you are lacking big time. I think your property should be investigated if you believe Kris’s type of animal care, or should I say LACK OF animal care is okay. Who knows what is lurking behind your door.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 20, 2009 - 06:51 PM | Comment # 3028
Ahhh, CynLajoie is resorting to name calling, we must be getting to her wipeoutpuppymills :)
It looks that way, doesn’t it, Jo? I don’t think the use of the word “retarded” is politically correct Cynlajoie. Shame on you. However, you defending Kris is not PC either. I think you have forgotten the difference between right and wrong, or is it possible that you didn’t ever know to begin with? I just hope your dogs aren’t starving and kept in crates all day. If they are, I pray that someone will discover it and rescue them. It doesn’t bode well for you to defend someone like Kris.
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by: Jo Roark on April 20, 2009 - 09:13 PM | Comment # 3035
I think Cynlajoie likes the attention, evidently she never gets any..
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by: Jo Roark on April 21, 2009 - 07:21 AM | Comment # 3044
The fact that our laws state that dogs can be crated for up to 18 hours a day doesn’t mean its right, it just means our lawmakers are idiots.
You see, Cynlajoie, its a catch 22. You can have a dog in a crate for 18 hours a day but they better be healthy and happy. Needless to say a dog cannot be healthy and happy if they are trapped in a cage for all that time. THAT is how they are able to take peoples dogs away.
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by: Don Danielson on April 21, 2009 - 08:46 AM | Comment # 3047
Ease up on the name calling and personal insults or we’ll close down commenting on this story. Last warning.
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by: CynLajoie on April 21, 2009 - 08:46 AM | Comment # 3048
CynLajoie,
You don’t have any credibility, you are in eastern Canada! YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING!And how do you know any better then I Jo ?
In this day and age there are things called fax machines, emails, phones. I’ve seen it all, read it all.
I dont care if you live next door to Kris. Have you been in her house ? Have you been in her kennel ?
NO
Neither have I so I guess we’ve even.
Just because you live closer honey doesn’t make you more knowledgable.
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by: CynLajoie on April 21, 2009 - 08:49 AM | Comment # 3049
I didn’t say you were a retard Jo, I asked if you were retarded as in not able to absorb information.
That’s not name calling.
We’ll see where this all goes.
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by: CynLajoie on April 21, 2009 - 08:51 AM | Comment # 3050
Do you people even know what Kris has been charged with ?
One felony charge and that’s for the thin horse.
No felony charges regarding the dogs !
Misdemeanor charge regarding CRATING !!
And with the LAW in WA......a dog can be crated up to 23 hours per day ! You dont like the law, go change it.
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by: Jo Roark on April 21, 2009 - 01:49 PM | Comment # 3056
Just because you live closer honey doesn’t make you more knowledgable.
And you know this how??
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by: Jo Roark on April 21, 2009 - 03:33 PM | Comment # 3059
Do you people even know what Kris has been charged with ?
One felony charge and that’s for the thin horse.
No felony charges regarding the dogs !
Misdemeanor charge regarding CRATING !!
And with the LAW in WA......a dog can be crated up to 23 hours per day ! You dont like the law, go change it.
I think a horse would have to be much more than thin for a felony charge, maybe emaciated would be a better word.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 21, 2009 - 03:43 PM | Comment # 3060
Cynlajoie, the facts are that Kris abused her animals, plain and simple. I noticed you wouldn’t touch the gangrene comment I made with a 10 ft. pole. Why not? That’s because I know things that you don’t, that is a reality. Emaciation, muscle wasting in her dogs, wounds that had developed gangrene, crating the dogs so long that it affected their well being mentally and physically. What she did is inhumane, and she must no longer have dogs, not ever. She abused her privilege.
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by: CynLajoie on April 21, 2009 - 04:26 PM | Comment # 3061
It’s funny wipeoutpuppymills......every TIME you post you add more and more to your story.
sores ? filth ? gangrene ?
Ya sure.....you just keep telling yourself you’re right.
IF the conditions were “as you say” there is no way Skagit County Court would have returned the dogs to her. PERIOD.
Call a lawyer......phone a friend with a brain.
The would have court ordered the return THEN RESEIZED THEM immediately.
AS WELL, not one animal would have been left in her care.
She still has plenty of animals.
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by: Jo Roark on April 21, 2009 - 06:49 PM | Comment # 3062
------------------------------It’s funny wipeoutpuppymills......every TIME you post you add more and more to your story.
sores ? filth ? gangrene ?
Ya sure.....you just keep telling yourself you’re right.
Are you saying Kris’s dogs were returned to her?
Sores, filth and gangrene have been known for a long time, you see these are the things that someone 3500 miles away would not know about. The fact that you are surprised means you are not getting your information from someone credible.
IF the conditions were “as you say” there is no way Skagit County Court would have returned the dogs to her. PERIOD.
Call a lawyer......phone a friend with a brain.
The would have court ordered the return THEN RESEIZED THEM immediately.
AS WELL, not one animal would have been left in her care.
She still has plenty of animals.
by: Jo Roark on April 21, 2009 - 06:52 PM | Comment # 3063
It’s funny wipeoutpuppymills......every TIME you post you add more and more to your story.
sores ? filth ? gangrene ?
Ya sure.....you just keep telling yourself you’re right.
Are you saying Kris’s dogs were returned to her?
Sores, filth and gangrene have been known for a long time, you see these are the things that someone 3500 miles away would not know about. The fact that you are surprised means you are not getting your information from someone credible.
IF the conditions were “as you say” there is no way Skagit County Court would have returned the dogs to her. PERIOD.
Call a lawyer......phone a friend with a brain.
The would have court ordered the return THEN RESEIZED THEM immediately.
AS WELL, not one animal would have been left in her care.
She still has plenty of animals.
My whole comment didn’t show up. Cyn, the fact you didn’t know about the sores, filth and gangrene shows that you are not getting your information from a very credible source, sounds like someone is spoon feeding you information they want you to know. It looks like they are leaving some very important facts out. Hmmm..I wonder who it could be?
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 21, 2009 - 09:49 PM | Comment # 3067
My whole comment didn’t show up. Cyn, the fact you didn’t know about the sores, filth and gangrene shows that you are not getting your information from a very credible source, sounds like someone is spoon feeding you information they want you to know. It looks like they are leaving some very important facts out. Hmmm..I wonder who it could be?
Very well said Jo. Cynlajoie only has half the story. I am sure Kris is not going to tell her the whole truth because if she did no one in their right mind would defend someone who had abused their dogs and 2 ponies. Only reason why a judge ruled that she would get some of her dogs back is because of the warrant. There was nothing else the judge could do, unfortunately. That was the only reason, but somehow I think you are completely aware of that. Maybe you have just decided to forget that part of the case. That’s convenient, isn’t it?
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 21, 2009 - 09:55 PM | Comment # 3068
Cynlajoie, the facts are that Kris abused her animals, plain and simple. I noticed you wouldn’t touch the gangrene comment I made with a 10 ft. pole. Why not? That’s because I know things that you don’t, that is a reality. Emaciation, muscle wasting in her dogs, wounds that had developed gangrene, crating the dogs so long that it affected their well being mentally and physically. What she did is inhumane, and she must no longer have dogs, not ever. She abused her privilege.
And I repeat.
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by: Jo Roark on April 22, 2009 - 03:58 PM | Comment # 3083
so right wopm
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by: biteme18_21 on April 22, 2009 - 08:07 PM | Comment # 3085
wipeoutpuppymills-
it seems kind of weird that you are the only one who has brought up that the dogs had ganggreen. i know the other dogs had it, but it was never brought up in court or anywhere else that kris’s dogs had it.
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by: CynLajoie on April 23, 2009 - 03:01 PM | Comment # 3117
YOU"RE missing the point girls
The LAW is that crated dogs can be crated for 23 hours PER DAY.
The LAW.....do you know what that is ?
Is that ok in my books ? Nope. I never crate a dog for more then a few hours during the day and occasionally at night BUT Kris violated no LAW with how long her dogs were crated THEREFORE there was NO validity to the WARRANT.......therefore there is no case.
Period.
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by: Jo Roark on April 23, 2009 - 04:29 PM | Comment # 3120
Cynlajoie,
Can you show me where the law states that it is ok to starve animals? Here I can help you http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.52Just so ya know this isn’t just a crating issue, its more involved than that.
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by: Jo Roark on April 23, 2009 - 05:03 PM | Comment # 3122
YOU"RE missing the point girls
The LAW is that crated dogs can be crated for 23 hours PER DAY.
The LAW.....do you know what that is ?
Is that ok in my books ? Nope. I never crate a dog for more then a few hours during the day and occasionally at night BUT Kris violated no LAW with how long her dogs were crated THEREFORE there was NO validity to the WARRANT.......therefore there is no case.
Period.
Oh I see, now you are an expert on Washington State Law. If there was no case then why do they keep going to court? Why does Kris have a case # if there is no case?
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Obviously, if you were right wouldn’t Kris would have her dogs back?
You seem to be changing your tune a bit, you evidently think that Kris was wrong by crating her dogs as long as she did. Whatever happened to “She is a wonderful woman and all her dogs and horses are well cared for”. You are saying her dogs and horses are well cared for when she is facing a felony because of her emaciated horse? How do you feel about emaciated dogs? Are your dogs emaciated? If your dogs were trapped in their crates at night starving could you go to sleep?
by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 23, 2009 - 06:16 PM | Comment # 3123
YOU"RE missing the point girls
The LAW is that crated dogs can be crated for 23 hours PER DAY.
The LAW.....do you know what that is ?
Is that ok in my books ? Nope. I never crate a dog for more then a few hours during the day and occasionally at night BUT Kris violated no LAW with how long her dogs were crated THEREFORE there was NO validity to the WARRANT.......therefore there is no case.
Period.We girls Cynlajoie are not missing the point. As Jo stated, if there was no case why wouldn’t Kris have ALL her dogs back along with her 2 ponies? I don’t claim to know the laws in your area, but I believe no matter where we live in the United States Of America starving your animals to the point of emaciation is against the law. Crating them for long extended periods 365 days a year so that they can barely walk is a crime. Kris was doing harm to her animals, that cannot be disputed, it’s on record. Trust me when I tell you, Skagit County wouldn’t ever confiscate someone’s dogs if they were being well cared for, at the very least they need to be fed and that wasn’t happening in Kris’ case. It is what it is, unfortunately.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 23, 2009 - 09:17 PM | Comment # 3124
it seems kind of weird that you are the only one who has brought up that the dogs had ganggreen. i know the other dogs had it, but it was never brought up in court or anywhere else that kris’s dogs had it.
I’m confused by these comments, bite me. What other dogs are you speaking of?
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by: biteme18_21 on April 23, 2009 - 09:40 PM | Comment # 3126
the Sundberg’s dogs had ganggreen.
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by: momma Jan on April 25, 2009 - 09:23 AM | Comment # 3195
thanks for keeping up the “fight for the animals” wopm and Joe!! the animals were neglected, abused, starved, and living in filth!!! NO person should get away with that sort of treatment of ANY animal --no humans SHOULD be living around those conditions either!!!! muscle waste from constant crating was the reason the poor Coton got hurt --imagine the happiness he briefly experienced when he was let out in the sunlight to actually move!!! free of the excrement he was living in --the REAL crime is that the search warrent didn’t include the DARK barn--but as was stated in court, Emily wasn’t aware of the other dogs being held there as she was NEVER allowed access to the horror barn-- any reputable breeder has an open door policy or at least makes arrangements for a return visit in a reasonable amount of time--NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE!!! never!!!!
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 25, 2009 - 06:05 PM | Comment # 3213
thanks for keeping up the “fight for the animals” wopm and Joe!!
Thanks momma Jan. And thank you also for sticking up for those innocent animals that can’t stick up for themselves.
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by: CynLajoie on April 26, 2009 - 08:06 AM | Comment # 3226
We girls Cynlajoie are not missing the point. As Jo stated, if there was no case why wouldn’t Kris have ALL her dogs back along with her 2 ponies? I don’t claim to know the laws in your area, but I believe no matter where we live in the United States Of America starving your animals to the point of emaciation is against the law. Crating them for long extended periods 365 days a year so that they can barely walk is a crime. Kris was doing harm to her animals, that cannot be disputed, it’s on record. Trust me when I tell you, Skagit County wouldn’t ever confiscate someone’s dogs if they were being well cared for, at the very least they need to be fed and that wasn’t happening in Kris’ case. It is what it is, unfortunately.
She doesn’t have her dogs back because SPOT is holding them hostage.
She doesn’t have her Coton back because he died due to neglect of Vet care while in SPOT’s care.
She doesn’t have her blue male back because SPOT can’t find him.
And to the rest of her dogs, she hasn’t had her day in Court yet. When she does and Skagit County has to SHOW the law she violated, which is the law that gave them the warrant, which in ACO’s mind was crating for too long, She will get the rest awarded back to her. THERE IS NOW LAW in WASHINGTON STATE regarding crating !
You people seem to be forgetting that.
No law.........no law broken.....period.
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by: Jo Roark on April 26, 2009 - 09:58 PM | Comment # 3248
Cyn,
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How many times do you have to be told that its not just a crating issue??? Starving animals is against the laws, comprende’? You have been told over and over and over again, GEEEEEZZZ!!!!
by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 26, 2009 - 11:41 PM | Comment # 3252
Cynlajoie,
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As Jo stated, Kris’s dogs and 2 ponies were EMACIATED! I only used full caps on EMACIATED, because you don’t seem to hear us. I would imagine that is some type of strategy on your part. Your thinking is that if you continue with your progaganda that we will begin to believe it. I think we are all too intelligent for that, and for those of us that actually have the facts, there is nothing you can say that would change our minds. You need to stop promoting someone like Kris, for one it makes you look really bad, I wouldn’t want anyone to connect me with someone who had completely neglected her animals. However, maybe it is a case of “birds of a feather flock together.”
by: momma Jan on April 27, 2009 - 12:57 AM | Comment # 3253
WELL SAID Wipe Out Puppy Mills ... thank goodness we can speak out for the innocent victims that can’t scream !!!-----
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by: CynLajoie on April 27, 2009 - 06:04 AM | Comment # 3257
She has not, I REPEAT, not be charged with starving her dogs.
Check it out.
She has been charged with the excessive crating, and the thin horse.
REad the Court papers. No mention of ANY charges regarding the body condition of ANY of the dogs.
GEez people, learn the facts, READ The documents then spout your bull.
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by: Jo Roark on April 27, 2009 - 10:11 PM | Comment # 3299
Ah ...with excessive crating, you mean more than 23 hours at a time? Sick and disgusting..unlawful..no wonder she is charged.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 27, 2009 - 11:10 PM | Comment # 3300
Ah ...with excessive crating, you mean more than 23 hours at a time? Sick and disgusting..unlawful..no wonder she is charged.
Well said Jo! Cynlajoie just keeps putting her foot in her mouth. How could she not, she is defending someone who is abusive to her animals.
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by: Jo Roark on April 28, 2009 - 08:31 AM | Comment # 3302
April 27, 2009 - 07:04 AM | Comment # 3257 |
She has not, I REPEAT, not be charged with starving her dogs.
Maybe not, but it didn’t stop the vet from saying her dogs were emaciated.
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Just because she was not charged with it doesn’t make her innocent of it. I would be more willing to believe the vet at this point. I would also be more willing to believe that the horse was not simply thin, but emaciated just like the dogs.
Now, another point to be made. If Kris was charged with excessive crating, which means more than 23 hours, where did the dogs go to the bathroom in all of that time? Perhaps in their crates?? Perhaps they laid in it? Slept in it? Cried in it?
Cyn, the problem you are facing is that you are trying to defend behaviors that are indefensible.
by: CynLajoie on April 28, 2009 - 01:51 PM | Comment # 3320
Really now Jo ? Hmmmmmmmmm dont you THINK if they dogs that SPOT “rescued” were actually emaciated, Kris would have been charged with such a crime ??????
Use your head. ACO’s use words like emaciated, filth, etc to get the attention of tree huggers like you guys BUT WHEN it actually hits the Courts and their backs are to the wall, the nasty words disappear and mysteriously NO CHARGES !!
Wow Im shocked !
Could it be that Kris has video and pictures taken just before the raid that show the “emaciated” dogs in fine condition, her one stud actually a bit overweight.........
It’s a sham and people like you just fall into it every time.
The media lies to sell papers.
The ACO’s use vile words to grab attention and GET DONATIONS !!!USE your heads if you got one !
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by: Jo Roark on April 28, 2009 - 10:10 PM | Comment # 3330
Cynlajoie,
Don’t forget that you live 3500 miles away and that would give you less credibility than anyone. Its time for you to use YOUR head :)Could it be that Kris has video and pictures taken just before the raid that show the “emaciated” dogs in fine condition, her one stud actually a bit overweight.........
I don’t know, could it be that way? I suspect that any dogs that were photographed and video’s were her show dogs. It would never do to take emaciated dogs to a dog show.
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Is that the same stud she said was thin because of popping hocks?
by: Jo Roark on April 29, 2009 - 07:45 AM | Comment # 3333
The media lies to sell papers.
So what you are saying is the vet never said the dogs were emaciated in court? Its just the newspapers lying to sell papers??
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by: CynLajoie on April 29, 2009 - 09:20 AM | Comment # 3339
No the Vet did use the word emaciated. Watch the Court video.
But WHAT I find funny is even though he said it in open Court when the Charges against Kris were finally laid, SURPRISE SURPRISE no charges for emaciated dogs even though he said 6 of them were ?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
The one dog that was “listed” as emaciated by him, Kris has proof that he was not.
So you tell me what’s going on ?
You guys seem to think just cause you live local you know. YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE !!!
The law is dogs can only be crated 23 hours a day. So there goes the WHOLE WARRANT !!!
Inhumane length of crating was listed as the ONLY reason for the basis of the warrant !!!!!
Anything that was found, based on that INVALID warrant will be thrown out.
Man you people don’t have a clue what the LAWS are do you ?
Get your heads out of your butts and do some reading on the judicial system, make some phone calls, sit in on a few seminars, something, anything that will help you learn basic LAW 101 !!!
You think just because a cop “thinks” something is wrong and there is no law to back him up, he can go whine to a Judge and get a warrant based on “what he thinks” and that WARRANT won’t be thrown out when it finally gets to Court ?
Get a grip !
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 29, 2009 - 06:54 PM | Comment # 3371
Man you people don’t have a clue what the LAWS are do you ?
Cynlajoie you have no ethics and must be lacking morals since you continue to defend someone that had her dogs housed in filthy conditions. FILTHY, STINKY, conditions. You can argue the law any way you want, but there are people that will make sure that this woman doesn’t breed anymore and that everyone in the dog world will be aware of her and no longer let her have any dogs. I can’t speak for the rest, but I am not a PETA enthusiast or a tree hugger, sorry that doesn’t describe me, but what does is someone who has the decency to treat her dogs with respect, give them the love they deserve, and the clean surroundings they need to thrive. I also have the good sense to not have TOO MANY DOGS. One or two people can’t properly care for dogs in numbers. Now, this is just common sense, something you and Kris don’t possess.
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by: Jo Roark on April 29, 2009 - 08:25 PM | Comment # 3372
cynlajoie,’
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yea yea yea cyn joloie, wipeoutpuppymills, ditto...wopm knows whats going on…
by: biteme18_21 on April 29, 2009 - 08:28 PM | Comment # 3373
wipeoutpuppymills, if the warrant was issued because the dogs were crated too long, and there is no law (or one that was just there), then there is no bases for the warrant. see how that works, no law, no law broken, no warrant.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 29, 2009 - 11:34 PM | Comment # 3377
wipeoutpuppymills, if the warrant was issued because the dogs were crated too long, and there is no law (or one that was just there), then there is no bases for the warrant. see how that works, no law, no law broken, no warrant.
Again biteme, you don’t seem to understand. There is indeed a law in regards to how many hours a dog can be crated. Cynlajoie, an avid follower of Kris Finch pointed this out. You must not be reading through the comments. Regardless of us arguing the fine points of law, what do you think about someone who keeps their dogs in filthy, disgusting conditions? Laying in their pee and fecal waste. How about being kept in emaciated condition with severe muscle wasting? Well, what about this, is that okay for you, is that how you treat your dogs, biteme? If so, you need to have an inspection on your property.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 29, 2009 - 11:46 PM | Comment # 3378
Get your heads out of your butts and do some reading on the judicial system, make some phone calls, sit in on a few seminars, something, anything that will help you learn basic LAW 101 !!!
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There is nothing to defend, this woman is a menace to animals. Anyone who keeps her dogs in unacceptable conditions should no longer have the right to own dogs. There is nothing to dispute, the facts are the facts. Those that don’t understand how bad it was should get a 700 crate and crawl in. Sit there for hours upon hours not being able to get out to relieve yourself. Having to go so bad that you eliminate in the crate and have to remain in their with your stinch. Are you up for this? I think this would be a good lesson for Kris, she should be in a crate without food or water, and have to use it as her bathroom. What do you think Kris, are you up for that? I think jail looks pretty comfortable in comparison.
by: biteme18_21 on April 30, 2009 - 12:31 AM | Comment # 3379
wipeoutpuppymills- i have never seen her dogs kept in filthy kennels, laying in pee and fecal waste. i have been to her house many times. i have seen the inside of the shop where she kept some of the dogs. the shop was actually very nice inside. why don’t you spend some time in a crate??
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by: Jo Roark on April 30, 2009 - 08:24 AM | Comment # 3384
why don’t you spend some time in a crate??
wipeoutpuppymills isn’t advocating crating dogs for hours on end. Maybe if you spent some time in a crate you would not be so much in favor of it.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on April 30, 2009 - 11:19 AM | Comment # 3391
Ignore this memberApril 30, 2009 - 01:31 AM | Comment # 3379 |
wipeoutpuppymills- i have never seen her dogs kept in filthy kennels, laying in pee and fecal waste. i have been to her house many times. i have seen the inside of the shop where she kept some of the dogs. the shop was actually very nice inside. why don’t you spend some time in a crate??
Ah, biteme, you told me all I needed to know. You too are in cahoots with this woman. That last paragraph tells it all. There are some of us that are making comments here that have also seen her home INSIDE and her facilities(that is actually too nice a word for them) outside. Our experience of what we saw do not match yours. This leads me to believe that you are of like minds, so filth and mistreatment of dogs is A-OKAY with you.
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by: Jo Roark on April 30, 2009 - 03:01 PM | Comment # 3404
wopm,
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biteme is obviously one of Kris’s friends, same with cyn and that is why they stick up for her. It has nothing at all to do with what is right and fair for the dogs. ITS ALL ABOUT THEM!!
by: momma Jan on May 01, 2009 - 12:58 AM | Comment # 3420
wopm and Joe ..... these same critics of the fact Kris was abusing her animals are the ones that look for some “flaw in the law” rather than the actual facts --Dogs were in filth, muscle waste, neglect,and irregular feedings (if any at all)—how sad her dogs never had the comfort of consistant loving human touch and freedom to run/play---Kris should never be allowed to “own” animals ever!! ALL the animals suffered while in her care
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by: CynLajoie on May 02, 2009 - 05:51 PM | Comment # 3474
wipeoutpuppymills YOU state - There is indeed a law in regards to how many hours a dog can be crated
Show me the law ?? ?
Gimme a link to the law online ???
At the present time THERE IS NO LAW in Washington regarding how long a dog can be caged or crated. THERE is a law that just passed BUT it doesn’t come into effect until Jan. 2010 that STATES a dog can be crated or caged for up to 23 hours per day.
I posted MY law I was referring to.
Where’s your honey ?
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 02, 2009 - 07:43 PM | Comment # 3475
wopm,
biteme is obviously one of Kris’s friends, same with cyn and that is why they stick up for her. It has nothing at all to do with what is right and fair for the dogs. ITS ALL ABOUT THEM!!I agree, Jo! I don’t think biteme or Cynlanjoie are advocates for dogs if they can continue to defend Kris.....Could you please email me,Jo? Thanks, wopm
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by: Jo Roark on May 03, 2009 - 07:52 AM | Comment # 3478
Oh, and look momma Jan and wopm Cyn now has her own law, isn’t that nice? She states there is a law that dogs can be crated up to 23 hours a day and Kris is going to get off because of it and now she changes her tune. If there is no law specifying how long a dog can be crated then I guess it would be up to the judge, she was, however, charged with crating dogs in an unsafe manner.
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by: Jo Roark on May 03, 2009 - 05:20 PM | Comment # 3486
WOPM said:
There is indeed a law in regards to how many hours a dog can be crated. Cynlajoie, an avid follower of Kris Finch pointed this out.
You, Cyn, are the one that pointed out the law and now you are saying you made it up, how convenient.
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by: Jo Roark on May 03, 2009 - 08:31 PM | Comment # 3487
It appears that Crystal Rose has disappeared, Bulldog doesn’t seem to be around much and now Cyn is making up her own laws, quite the little group.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 03, 2009 - 09:11 PM | Comment # 3490
It appears that Crystal Rose has disappeared, Bulldog doesn’t seem to be around much and now Cyn is making up her own laws, quite the little group.
Yes Jo, they are quite the little group that evidently believe it is okay to crate your dogs all day, leave them in dark, dank barns, under-fed left waiting and wondering if they will ever get attention. Kris is a horrific caretaker of dogs, and it is NOT OKAY Cynlajoie, no matter what law you decide to make up. Is this the way you treat your Dals? If so, your morals and ethics are no better than Kris’s.
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by: momma Jan on May 04, 2009 - 12:42 AM | Comment # 3491
amen ........... to wopm’s last statement
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by: CynLajoie on May 05, 2009 - 06:13 PM | Comment # 3625
Not sure about you hens but I have 9 dogs, three kids and a job. I don’t LIVE on here like you guys do. I have a life, do you ?
As far as my “made up law”. Im not going to waste my time. Do a search in the thread. Previous to April 2009 THERE WAS NO LAW in WASHINGTON STATE regarding crating dogs. Now there is BUT it doesn’t come into affect until January 2010.
Is that basic enough for you or should I type slower ? hahaha
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 05, 2009 - 11:05 PM | Comment # 3627
Not sure about you hens but I have 9 dogs, three kids and a job. I don’t LIVE on here like you guys do. I have a life, do you ?
You must have forgotten what you claim on your Cyndalla Dalmation website. You state that you have 11 Dalmations. We just didn’t pull that number out of a hat, unlike you and your day to day changing laws.
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by: Jo Roark on May 06, 2009 - 09:06 AM | Comment # 3643
hmmm..I thought Cyn had minnie aussies? I am not quite sure why Cyn would say the law was that a dog could be crated up to 23 hours a day when it hasn’t been put into effect yet. It wouldn’t apply to Kris anyway if it doesn’t go into effect until 2010.
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by: CynLajoie on May 07, 2009 - 09:30 AM | Comment # 3680
OMG I haven’t owned a Dalmatian in years. READ THE WEBSITE hon. I got divorced in 2002 and haven’t had one since then. I breed/raise Miniature Australian Shepherds and no other breed.
You guys are idiots, plain and simple. No other word I can think of that describes you guys.
You lie, and won’t even address the issue.
Warrant obtained in illegal grounds is not valid and anything found during the execution of that warrant is deemed invalid.
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by: momma Jan on May 07, 2009 - 10:02 AM | Comment # 3682
CYN --forget the reality of the situation --forget the horror the poor animals experienced—forget the inhumanity that was going on--try and get the guilty person off on a technicality---you should have been OJ Simpson’s lawyer!!
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 07, 2009 - 11:12 AM | Comment # 3689
You guys are idiots, plain and simple. No other word I can think of that describes you guys.
You lie, and won’t even address the issue.Who is lying here? Why would you have a website claiming you have 11 Dals? That is misrepresentation. I wouldn’t have a website claiming I have another breed if I no longer had any ties to that breed. That doesn’t make any sense. It does make sense however that you would have mini aussies, because otherwise why would you spend your time defending a so-called breeder like Kris?
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 07, 2009 - 11:13 AM | Comment # 3690
CYN --forget the reality of the situation --forget the horror the poor animals experienced—forget the inhumanity that was going on--try and get the guilty person off on a technicality---you should have been OJ Simpson’s lawyer!!
Well said, momma Jan!
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 07, 2009 - 11:19 AM | Comment # 3691
Just a reminder that Cesar Millan’s show tonight will air tonight with his focus on puppy mills. It is on the National Geographic channel. Please watch, it should be very good. Just another reminder to us of what people are capable of when they are using dogs to make money.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 07, 2009 - 01:21 PM | Comment # 3702
Just a reminder that Cesar Millan’s show tonight will air tonight with his focus on puppy mills. It is on the National Geographic channel. Please watch, it should be very good. Just another reminder to us of what people are capable of when they are using dogs to make money.
Correction, I meant to say that Cesar Millan would be on Friday night. Don’t forget to watch. The program will air twice Friday night. My tv schedule has it on from 6-7pm and airing again from 9-10pm.
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by: Jo Roark on May 07, 2009 - 09:48 PM | Comment # 3718
You guys are idiots, plain and simple. No other word I can think of that describes you guys.
You are defending Kris and calling us idiots? HA! There is the horse don’t lets forget, the horse was on the warrant and that is a felony. You totally need a reality check sweetie.
Cheerio
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by: CynLajoie on May 10, 2009 - 04:14 PM | Comment # 3772
Who is lying here? Why would you have a website claiming you have 11 Dals? That is misrepresentation. I wouldn’t have a website claiming I have another breed if I no longer had any ties to that breed. That doesn’t make any sense. It does make sense however that you would have mini aussies, because otherwise why would you spend your time defending a so-called breeder like Kris?
If you can figure out the password to a website I haven’t used in 9 years, let me know.
I’ve emailed angelfire and they won’t give it to me because the email address I had when I signed up for it in 1988 is no longer a valid address.
BTW if you had a brain.....LOOK at the site. It’s only part of a page, then it freezes. PRETTY good hint it’s not a valid site.
hahaha
So sad that you people have nothing better to do.
Personally I had a beautiful weekend with my boyfriend, went for a walk by the river,took a few of the dogs, got up this morning to breakfast in bed.
And what did you guys do ? Take another try at stalking Kris ??
lmao
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by: Jo Roark on May 10, 2009 - 07:06 PM | Comment # 3776
And what did you guys do ? Take another try at stalking Kris ??
Nope, the prosecutor will take care of Kris. I had a wonderful weekend, sounds like it was better than yours, thanks for asking :)I don’t remember asking how your weekend went though. This thread isn’t about you, just so ya know..
Cheerio
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by: CynLajoie on May 11, 2009 - 02:15 PM | Comment # 3817
Oh Jo you’re as funny as you are sad.
Nice mature comments.........don’t ever change.
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by: momma Jan on May 11, 2009 - 02:35 PM | Comment # 3818
Cyn quit being an embarasement to the animal world—thanks for Jo, wopm,and everyone that advocates for the well being of our animals --Cyn, we KNOW that people who run puppy mills like the one you support are low on the “food chain”—
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by: Jo Roark on May 11, 2009 - 10:47 PM | Comment # 3835
Oh Jo you’re as funny as you are sad.
Nice mature comments.........don’t ever change.
You are not funny at all, just sad. For someone that throws tantrums and calls people idiots I don’t think you have any credibility, just like Kris.
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 12, 2009 - 09:31 AM | Comment # 3867
You are not funny at all, just sad. For someone that throws tantrums and calls people idiots I don’t think you have any credibility, just like Kris.
Jo and momma Jan couldn’t have said it better. Good for you ladies! Cynlajoie has revealed exactly what kind of person she is. She does throw tantrums, which shows a complete lack of maturity. She doesn’t show any class the way she continues to call everyone names that don’t agree with her. Cynlajoie, you are defending a person that has no defense. End of discussion. Are you surprised at how you are receieved on this list? The only thing your comments alert us to is how you are caring for your own dogs. NO one that cares for their animals properly could dare to defend Kris. Period!
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by: CynLajoie on May 13, 2009 - 05:58 AM | Comment # 4007
WOW. You guys never cease to amaze me.
Here’s an idea. How about some of you get of your computers and get out there in Skagit County, heck broaden your search, and do something about the serious millers in WA state ? I could name you quite a few in your area alone.
OR do NONE of you do rescue ? Only shoot your mouths off but don’t back them up ??
I do alot of rescue, have for over 25 years.
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by: CynLajoie on May 13, 2009 - 06:14 AM | Comment # 4008
Crystal, the Coton was denied Vet care for two days. It says so right in the Vet papers and when Kris gets her day in Court (civil court) when this is all over and done with, she will be compensated for the loss of the Coton, the broken leg on her IG and her one MISSING dog.
Pretty sad when all of this damage is done by an organization that is supposed to “rescue” dogs. Some rescueing.
Inferior foster homes that don’t even have sense enough to keep INTACT male and female dogs apart.
I wonder how many of Kris dogs are now pregnant and they won’t even know who the sire is. One of her Aussies ? The neighbors pitbull ? What ?
Prettty sad
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 14, 2009 - 08:32 PM | Comment # 4286
do alot of rescue, have for over 25 years.
Rescue is wonderful, but should not be attempted if it is going to take time away from the dogs that you already own. Particularly in your case Cynlajoie where you have 9 dogs. That is waaaaaaaay too many for a single woman with children.
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by: biteme18_21 on May 15, 2009 - 12:50 AM | Comment # 4295
How do you know what is tooooooooooooooooooo much for a single woman with children??????? there is the possibility she is able to handle much more then a simple minded person like yourself could handle.
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by: Jo Roark on May 15, 2009 - 04:38 AM | Comment # 4296
How do you know what is tooooooooooooooooooo much for a single woman with children??????? there is the possibility she is able to handle much more then a simple minded person like yourself could handle.
WOPM,
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See what kind of mentality we are dealing with here? They stick up for someone that starves their dogs and horses and then can’t carry on with an adult conversation.
by: momma Jan on May 15, 2009 - 10:19 AM | Comment # 4329
I just “love it” when people MAKE their children fullfill part of THEIR dream-forget what the kids want --9 dogs takes alot of work and if one asked the kids I’d bet they would rather be doing something else than attending to the dogs a good share of their time!!!! I’m sure the kids like the dogs BUT they’re kids and I can only imagine the events they have to miss to fulfill momma’s “wishes” ---- course I think Cyn has alot more than 9 dogs !!! poor dogs—
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by: wipeoutpuppymills on May 15, 2009 - 11:27 AM | Comment # 4334
WOPM,
See what kind of mentality we are dealing with here? They stick up for someone that starves their dogs and horses and then can’t carry on with an adult conversation.They are an unfortunate bunch to defend someone of Kris’s character that could let her dogs get into such poor condition and depend on her children to clean up the mess. The children and the dogs deserve a better life than that, along with the 2 ponies. It just saddens me to see not only are we dealing with one case that is horrific, but that others will stick-up for someone that would neglect and abuse their animals, and think nothing of it. That is shameful. It makes us more aware of how much more work needs to be done out there to stop these types of kennels, and protect these animals.
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by: Jo Roark on June 10, 2009 - 09:04 PM | Comment # 5522
Does anyone know what is going on with this case?
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