by Editorial Board
A more suitable way for Mayor Bud Norris to honor a family friend would be to invite him home to dinner.
But Mount Vernon’s mayor has chosen instead to give controversial right-wing talk show host Glenn Beck the key to the city.
And, like it or not, Sept. 26 is to be declared “Glenn Beck Day.”
Thanks to the mayor, Mount Vernon is on its way to becoming a national laughingstock. Newspapers and broadcast outlets from Seattle to Boston have picked up on the story.
Painfully, many of the headlines read “Mount Vernon to award Glenn Beck keys to the city,” or some variation of it. The fact that it is solely the mayor’s show is lost on the out-of-town media.
The mayor lamely explains that he wants to honor Beck because he was born in Mount Vernon. He sees Beck as a local boy who made it big and, besides, he says “I like the guy.” Norris was also a friend of Beck’s family, which once operated a popular bakery downtown.
An accident of birth and Beck’s fame, or rather notoriety, hardly justifies the mayor’s plan to exercise his authority to hand the key to the city to one of the most divisive voices in broadcasting.
Many believe that Beck’s commentary, expressed in florid rhetoric, feeds the paranoia of those who see government as the enemy and President Obama as an alien invader.
Much of the anger that Beck arouses on his talk show is now directed, however unfairly, at Mount Vernon. Some callers and letter writers have even threatened to no longer do business in the city. Others say they will boycott next year’s Skagit Valley Tulip Festival.
Of course, Beck has the freedom to express himself in any way he sees fit. This is not about free speech. If his visit to Mount Vernon was simply for a speaking engagement we would have no objection.
But Norris’ plan to give official honors to Beck puts the city’s imprimatur on views that many find repugnant.
Councilman Mike Urban researched the Municipal Code and found that there is nothing the City Council can do to prevent the mayor from proceeding with the Beck ceremonial.
All council members can do is distance themselves from it. Six of the seven declined Norris’ offer of free tickets to the Sept. 26 event at McIntyre Hall.
The City Council may want to fix the Municipal Code to require council approval before any more keys to the city are handed out.
Events have shown that the mayor alone should not be entrusted with that duty.
Norris recently mused that it would bring some attention to Mount Vernon if he could bring the city’s famous (some say “infamous”) son here.
Well, unfortunately, mission accomplished.
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Comments:
by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 10:07 AM | Comment # 10559
As opposed to Beck Day, I’d say we call the day “Farewell Norris Day!”
------------------------------by: jgilpatrick9 on September 07, 2009 - 10:10 AM | Comment # 10561
That’s an apt editorial, SVH. Please continue to produce work like the above.
------------------------------by: north on September 07, 2009 - 10:16 AM | Comment # 10562
Mt. Vernon mayor drops his trousers and moons every thinking person in the Skagit valley.
But maybe jgilpatrick9 said it better.
by: Lee_USA on September 07, 2009 - 10:26 AM | Comment # 10565
Norris is making money off of this....he needs something to fall back on when he FINALLY leaves office.
------------------------------by: Lee_USA on September 07, 2009 - 10:29 AM | Comment # 10566
Norris recently mused that it would bring some attention to Mount Vernon if he could bring the city’s famous (some say “infamous”) son here.
Well, unfortunately, mission accomplished
And the businesses in Mount Vernon will bear the brunt of Norris’ unilateral decison to kiss up to Glenn Beck. Many people will be taking their disgust out on the town’s businesses when really it was Norris—and ONLY Norris—who thought of this divisive scheme.
------------------------------by: north on September 07, 2009 - 11:04 AM | Comment # 10571
I’ll spend Beck day eating and drinking at Pacioni’s downtown.
Join me there for a belching contest dedicated to Glenn’s intelligence quotient.
by: Lady Juliette on September 07, 2009 - 11:45 AM | Comment # 10573
I’M ALL FOR HONORING GLEN BECK. HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS AND THAT’S WHY MOST OF YOU DON’T LIKE HIM. HITS A RAW NERVE WITH THE TRUTH DOESN’T HE?
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 01:15 PM | Comment # 10577
From what I’ve heard, Beck has a very difficult time with truth and doesn’t have the education to know the difference anyway. His rage appears to be more animalistic than human. When confronted about blatant lies, Beck says he doesn’t research, he’s not an investigative reporter, he just talks. Its a definite lowering of the bar that he’s been granted any airtime at all.
------------------------------by: Lady Juliette on September 07, 2009 - 01:36 PM | Comment # 10580
YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION AND MINE IS MINE. HE HAS THE EDUCATION HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG AND HE’S RIGHT ON WITH WHAT HE TELLS US IS GOING ON WITH THE PRESIDENT. AS I SAID, HE HITS A RAW NERVE AND PEOPLE DON’T LIKE HIM TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.
------------------------------by: north on September 07, 2009 - 01:39 PM | Comment # 10582
Caps lock!
Just looks dumb.
by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 01:42 PM | Comment # 10583
Caps lock!
Just looks dumb.
WHY?
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 01:47 PM | Comment # 10584
He doesn’t tell it like it is, Lady. He rants and raves about issues he has no way of knowing about, and when asked about his research directly he was unable to answer, other than he “just talks about life.” Beck is a drop-out who won a contest to DJ for an hour, then as he became more radical that pathetically appealed to some people. He’s not telling you like it is, he’s telling you what you want to hear because it earns him a paycheck - for now. With advertisers distancing themselves from his vehement behavior, who knows how long that will last. When listening to him, he sounds more like someone about to go over the edge, like a ticking time-bomb, than someone to hang your intellectual hats on.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 02:09 PM | Comment # 10588
He’s not telling you like it is,
Oh Tea your argument just went out the door with Van Jones . As now the American mainstream press is having to answer to folks on how and why someone like Glen Beck knew more about Van Jones then the mainstream press . Word on the Street is that Glen Beck and fox news and the internet where the only ones asking the tough questions in regards to Van Jones .
In Fact the joke on the internet is now mainstream media is having to explain to their listeners why they were not reporting about it untill after he resigned .
And like i said before I did not listen to Glen before all of this shouting came about and had never heard about Van Jones untill I watched a couple of his shows to see what all the shouting was about . And look I saw his report on Van jones and now look whos gone and whos viewership is going to climb even more because of it .
by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 02:19 PM | Comment # 10590
Van Jones was hired to do a job that he is highly capable and qualified to perform. I believe he will still be performing in that capacity only in different realms with a different or without a title. The right-wing just wants drama, and it seems they still don’t want to accept they lost all of Congress and the White House, therefore they are bitter and ready for revenge. For all their preaching about personal freedom, the right is the first to want to infringe on others’ personal freedoms if it doesn’t fall in line with their own belief system. For instance:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-pastor-reiterates-wish-for-President-Obamas/MX2Vzd4unEi9n8PschT50w.cspx
From publicly ranting about head bashing with shovels to wishing death on people including the President, the right wing is becoming more and more of a threat to our national security. A wise person would find distance.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 02:29 PM | Comment # 10591
A wise person would find distance
No I think the wise people are finding solace in the fact that someone is minding the store and making sure it is not destroyed.
the right wing is becoming more and more of a threat to our national security.
In what way Tea? Please expalin you irrational thought here for all to see
------------------------------by: Gladiator63 on September 07, 2009 - 02:29 PM | Comment # 10592
I’m all for bringing Beck here. Give him the key? Maybe not the best idea, but oh well. Better to take him to Skagit River Brewing Company for drinks and food (Cheap Plug).
I’ve never liked Bud, opening up this wonderful town to the dregs of society. I mean come on, who can’t see the Gangs, the violence, the street urchins, the 60’s hippys churning around. The lack of Police, the trashed cars just being parked and not towed, etc.
I guess it’s better than giving the key to Michael Moore.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 02:42 PM | Comment # 10595
Van Jones was hired to do a job that he is highly capable and qualified to perform. I believe he will still be performing in that capacity only in different realms with a different or without a title.
So a guy who believes a cop killer should go free and that 9/11 was a goverment plot, Jones was a self-described “communist” during the 1990s
Is still going be active in the white house ? Wow Tea I think you just proved the point why folks like glen Beck and fox news ratings are growning and Obamas numbers are falling .
by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 03:19 PM | Comment # 10603
In what way Tea? (re: radical right wing threats)
Already posted. We could post Beck’s rants as well about wanting to kill elected officials. Why do you all grasp onto violence like this? To have “Christian” churches advocating death to the President and uneducated shock-jock talkers raving about death of public figures, does that a) help with our national security or b) pose a threat to it?
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 03:24 PM | Comment # 10604
Is still going be active in the white house ?
Comprehension could be your friend if you invited it in, wv.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 03:39 PM | Comment # 10608
Comprehension could be your friend if you invited it in, wv.
I know Tea but I am a product of our public schools my parents were not rich. And I did not get any higher learning . I went to work and learned about investing by myself. And so you have to forgive my spelling and grammar, as it was not something that was such a big deal to me. And yes I know i could type this in word and fix it all there and then repost it here .. But its not me I am not perfect. And you know what Tea my lack of perfect grammar has not made one difference in my life as its quite good. thank you for your concern.
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by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 03:59 PM | Comment # 10611
Spelling and grammar were not mentioned, wv.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 04:42 PM | Comment # 10619
Comprehension was what you were worried about but next it would have been spelling or grammar or even the most stupid of all things and they CAPS LOCK police to enforce that. It’s what those on the internet use to feel superior to those they are discussing issues with . If you cant’ attack the issue or statement attack the posters lack of speeling or grammar or CAPS LOCK USE. and perhaps they will run away and hide as you have embarrased them by doing so . See for me I find it easy to read when folks use caps lock I find other mispelling not a problem , I am able to read it just fine. I don’t have a simple mind so simple things that seem to bother others do not faze me in the least .
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 07, 2009 - 06:05 PM | Comment # 10626
but next it would have been spelling or grammar
More presumption. If you choose to write in CAPS LOCK that is fine, that isn’t anything I’ve mentioned before so I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 07, 2009 - 06:36 PM | Comment # 10628
wildviking,
It appears to me that well over half the postings on this website relating to Glenn Beck are yours. Your postings are also right-down-the-line Glenn Beck extreme right wing talking points.
My guess is that you are a flack paid by Glenn Beck to choke the ether with half-literate bile. Since that is exactly what Glenn Beck provides to his masses of semi-literate followers, this is perhaps expected.
Wildviking, the basic theme you are peddling is that Glenn Beck has an opinion and high poll ratings, and consistent with notions of free speech he should be respected.
Your logic sucks.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 07, 2009 - 06:37 PM | Comment # 10629
Here’s why.
All opinions are not entitled to equal weight and respect under the guise of free speech. Sure, people are entitled to express their opinion without fear of governmental retribution, no matter how asinine the opinion. Like most everything else, you miss the point.
Here’s an example: If hear repetitive tapping on my window at night, I conclude that this is raindrops on my window. You, consistent with your general temperment, would likely conclude that this is aliens from Proxmia Centauri sending you secret coded messages about a coming invasion. Both opinions are not entitled to equal weight.
But that’s an extreme example, of course. How about this - not that long ago, most people were convinced that the best way to tell who was a witch was to throw the suspect in the water and see if they floated to the surface. That this is dangerous silliness - not to mention the fact that there is no such thing as witches with supernatural powers - was a decidedly minority view.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 07, 2009 - 06:37 PM | Comment # 10630
And not that long ago, the prevailing view was that the earth was flat. Those believing otherwise, say, in the kooky idea that the earth is a sphere orbiting the sun, were proclaimed to be witches.
So please spare us your constant verbal diahrrea about the popularity of Fox News and Mr. Beck as evidence of its merit.
To thinking people, the crap that Beck spews rates with witch hunting and flat earth theories. It is idiotic drivel for brainless ##### who require some other boob on the idiot box piping self-confirming platitudes into their brain. (No one with half a brain gets their news from the likes of Glenn Beck in the first place, which is probably the basic problem here that is going to be difficult to overcome.)
Let me try an analogy that you can understand. Just because something is popular (Fox News ratings for the Glenn Beck show) doesn’t make it healthy, good or meritorious. People eat lots of Big Macs (how many billion served?), and they are obviously very popular. Does the Big Mac’s viral popularity mean Big Macs are good for America? Of course not, unless you think that chronic obesity is a national virtue. It just means that McDonalds, operating within the protection of the free enterprise system, has discovered a way to exploit something that evolution has ill prepared us to resist.
In this way, Big Macs and Beck are similar. Humans are ill prepared by evolution to resist readily available hot fatty protein (Big Macs), and the more weak minded in our society readily fall prey to that tempatation. This has made the shareholders of McDonalds a great deal of money.
Humans are also ill prepared by evolution to resist passionately and earnestly delivered information that appears to confirm their deepest prejudices and assuage their deepest self-doubts, and, as with Big Macs, this is something to which weak minds in our society readily fall prey. Mr. Beck has made himself wealthy by exploiting this.
Since you tune into the whiskey-addled Mormon mind of Beck, you probably don’t believe in evolution anyway...do you?
------------------------------by: infuzion on September 07, 2009 - 06:56 PM | Comment # 10636
i’d like to say a few words in defense of the spelling flame.
long ago, some troll on Usenet decided that, since he couldn’t spell but was so obviously a genius otherwise, it must be the fault of the person pointing out his errors that the topic devolved into nonsense—that, in fact, the spelling flame was “the last line of defense for the smug,” so to speak.
that poor, lonely troll could not have been more wrong.
if you choose to publicly air your views on the internet, as so many, many do, you are subject to all of the normal requirements for any reader: it must be well-presented, logical, and spelled correctly. anything short of this is laughable and superfluous to the flow of information on the web.
in short, we, the CAPS LOCK police, the spelling flamers, and the grammar nazis are here to point you out. it is not to feel superiority, it is to demonstrate it. after all, if you can’t spell “until” and you don’t know the difference between “then” and “than,” what are you doing debating in public? you belong in remedial English, not a forum for discussion.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 07:23 PM | Comment # 10639
To thinking people
No one with half a brain gets their news from the likes of Glenn Beck
Let me try an analogy that you can understand
Humans are also ill prepared by evolution
So tell us how did you evolve to become such a superior great mind and why oh why would you waste your time with such lowlifes as us ? As by your post we would never understand.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 07:28 PM | Comment # 10641
in short, we, the CAPS LOCK police, the spelling flamers, and the grammar nazis are here to point you out
Feel free to point out all my mistakes. But trust me my wife has been doing so for many years about many things , But she gave up along time ago about my spelling and grammar so you may as well. because on the list of things important to me they are way down the list. Now if I walk into the liquor store and they tell me I can’t have the good scotch because I speeeel bad I may change my mind as to the level it is on my list.
------------------------------by: Lee_USA on September 07, 2009 - 07:31 PM | Comment # 10642
For some reason I just like you, wv. But I like your wife even more...she’s a very wise lady.
------------------------------by: garbo11 on September 07, 2009 - 07:31 PM | Comment # 10643
wildviking.....sounds like you have had a wee bit to much scotch over the years! hey there laddy!
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 07:49 PM | Comment # 10644
For some reason I just like you, wv. But I like your wife even more...she’s a very wise lady.
Thats good Lee Because I enjoy our discussions as well we may not agree
on all but its fun and you have rasied my awareness on things as well.
And a good disscussion is a fun one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by: Publius Valerius on September 07, 2009 - 08:28 PM | Comment # 10647
So tell us how did you evolve to become such a superior great mind and why oh why would you waste your time with such lowlifes as us ? As by your post we would never understand
wildviking
You miss the point again, sir.
I mean only to suggest that those who get their physical sustenance from Big Macs are feeding themselves what they know is complete rubbish because it makes them feel good in the moment.
I would also submit that those who get their intelluctual sustenance (and news) from Mr. Beck do so for similar reasons.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 09:12 PM | Comment # 10650
I would also submit that those who get their intelluctual sustenance (and news) from Mr. Beck do so for similar reasons.
Because Why ? Other than your opinion . But the facts seem to overrule you in the case of Van Jones beck and the internet were the only places that reported on Van jones the mainstream media ignored it . Now they have to explain why they did not discover Van Jones beliefs before the bloggers and beck did . Is it because they gave the adminstration a pass? this would never have happened during the Bush years now would it?
Why is the question I want my press to ask the same questions I want them to question every thing the president does republican or democrat or someone else. the reason the folks like Glen Beak have a growing base of watchers is because your mainstream press fail to do their jobs. a great example is right here in the Valley .The SVH gave a pass to our old mayor no matter what he did even when it was so close to them they stepped in it . Now they are again somewhat doing their job but still not enough as they still ignore things in our county as they seem to fear the repercussions of doing their job . Trust me when I say I miss good reporting and reporters and editors with guts . and I guess so do others thats why beck and others are gaining ratings as they do not seem to be afraid of boycotts and name calling and I can respect that even if you cant.
by: wildviking on September 07, 2009 - 09:21 PM | Comment # 10651
this is something to which weak minds in our society readily fall prey. Mr. Beck has made himself wealthy by exploiting this.
Since you tune into the whiskey-addled Mormon mind of Beck, you probably don’t believe in evolution anyway...do you?
(No one with half a brain gets their news from the likes of Glenn Beck in the first place, which is probably the basic problem here that is going to be difficult to overcome.)
Let me try an analogy that you can understand
To thinking people, the crap that Beck spews rates with witch hunting and flat earth theories
trust me PV I got your point you made it over and over and over again ..
Yours is the only correct answer only those aon your side are smart any one who dare to disagree with you is stupid . We get your point and it is wrong very wrong .
by: Wacon on September 07, 2009 - 10:31 PM | Comment # 10654
Wow...these are some of the most long winded, pedantic rants I’ve seen yet! Publius Valerius, yours are the worst.
------------------------------by: ljr331 on September 07, 2009 - 10:45 PM | Comment # 10658
I’m not even going to read the previous posts because I don’t want to get worked up over the “Pro-Beck” comments this late in the day… But do want to commend the SVH for taking a stance.. It would be nice if an elected official considered the feelings of all of his constituents before making such a controversial decision. I have received email and posts from friends and relatives asking..."really????"
It may be a passive-aggressive way for him to opt out of the next election.. in that case, I, for one, will be happy to oblige!
by: Publius Valerius on September 08, 2009 - 08:02 AM | Comment # 10677
wildviking
Let me recap your arguments: Van Jones that’s your Van Jones opinion Van Jones free Van Jones speech Van Jones I win because you Van Jones called me an idiot Van Jones.
This whole Van Jones issue over which you are obsessed is a mystery to me. As near as I can tell the Obama Administration sacked some obscure official and now online mouth-breathers are taking the credit for the personnel decision. BFD. You haven’t said anything of substance in your thousand-odd posts on this issue so far.
Wacon, I am exercising my First Amendment right to rant. It is therapeutic. Sorry for not providign one-liners that make for good donkey-guffaw material at your coffee klatch.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 08, 2009 - 08:04 AM | Comment # 10679
wildviking do you accept that evolution is a scientific fact? Just out of curiosity here.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 08, 2009 - 10:06 AM | Comment # 10692
wildviking do you accept that evolution is a scientific fact? Just out of curiosity here.
Just have no idea why what that has to do with with anyhthing here at this time . is evolution is a scientific fact? Well its a very valid basis at this time and it seems as logical to me as well. I only say that that way because in history many mnay things that were claimed to be scientific fact were later found out not to be such facts .. You do understand the final outcome of that do you not PV?
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 08, 2009 - 10:19 AM | Comment # 10693
As near as I can tell the Obama Administration sacked some obscure official and now online mouth-breathers are taking the credit for the personnel decision. BFD.
Wow obscure offical thats funny if you believethat.Then perhaps even with all your big pretty words and snarky ability to label anyone who disagrees with you stupid you may have let your own stupidty show.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 08, 2009 - 02:03 PM | Comment # 10737
the right wing is becoming more and more of a threat to our national security.
In what way Tea? Please expalin you irrational thought here for all to see
Tea I see you failed to respond to my question as to why the right wing is a threat to our national security ..
------------------------------by: ClemsRevenge on September 08, 2009 - 02:23 PM | Comment # 10740
Mt Vernon the “national laughingstock”? The Obama administration is the national laughingstock for not vetting Van Jones. Seems to me that the SVH wants to shoot the messenger.
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 08, 2009 - 02:30 PM | Comment # 10741
I actually did respond to your question, but will repost for your convenience:
From publicly ranting about head bashing with shovels to wishing death on people including the President, the right wing is becoming more and more of a threat to our national security. A wise person would find distance.
------------------------------by: ClemsRevenge on September 08, 2009 - 03:06 PM | Comment # 10752
Didn’t an Obama Heathcare supporter bite the finger off someone peacefully protesting Obama’s Heathcare reform? The left is scared because we’re becoming effective.
Don’t listen to tea_time.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 08, 2009 - 04:04 PM | Comment # 10756
From publicly ranting about head bashing with shovels to wishing death on people including the President,
Oh mean things like this
In this caught-on-tape exclusive, MontelWilliams takes a colorful comment made by Rep Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) during an otherwise powerful and articulate speech and turns it into a horrifying call for the congresswoman violently stab herself to death.
Here’s the clip:
WILLIAMS (1:30:32): Michelle, slit your wrist.
Go ahead… or, do us all a better thing [sic].
Move that knife up about two feet.
Start right at the collarbone.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 08, 2009 - 04:07 PM | Comment # 10758
the right wing is becoming more and more of a threat to our national security
Do you any data to support your claim ? Sure looking for a bit of Data or is this your made up dream..
------------------------------by: ClemsRevenge on September 08, 2009 - 06:28 PM | Comment # 10778
Why is the SVH so upset with Glenn Beck? He’s reading from the same book as they are.
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
So.....We’re going to follow RULE 8 “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 08, 2009 - 07:15 PM | Comment # 10786
Threats of killing elected officials, a threat to our national security:
“Sound effects please, if we’re going to kill Charlie Rangel with a shovel, lets do it the right way. See...I feel better already. Today, the season is clubbing people in the head with shovels.”
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002095/
The Idaho governor-want-to-be jokes about hunting the President “We’d buy some of those (tags).”
http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2009/08/27/news/local_state/169498.txt
Bachmann said she wants to slit her wrists and become blood brothers - this is powerful and articulate? No, this sounds loony and unstable.
“What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass.”
http://coloradoindependent.com/36840/bachmann-slit-our-wrists-be-blood-brothers’-to-beat-health-care-reform
A pastor is getting in on the threats too, dedicating an entire sermon to “Why I Hate Obama” - a man of the cloth hates a fellow man and preaches about that hate, including even how he wished our President to die: “If you want to know how I’d like to see Obama die, I’d like him to die of natural causes,” said Anderson. “I don’t want him to be a martyr, we don’t need another holiday. I’d like to see him die, like Ted Kennedy, of brain cancer.”
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-pastor-reiterates-wish-for-President-Obamas/MX2Vzd4unEi9n8PschT50w.cspx
As far as fingertips go, a man punched a health care reform activist in the face, and as a result he was bitten, then he had the nerve to complain that he was injured after he chose physical violence?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/health-care-activist-bites-off-the-finger-of-a-counter-demonstrator.html
(cont)
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 08, 2009 - 07:15 PM | Comment # 10787
News has also been made when former Homeland Security secretary Tom Ridge admitted that the National Terror Alert level was raised at the request of the Bush Admin without validation from the Homeland Security Dept. “Ashcroft strongly urged an increase in the threat level, and was supported by Rumsfeld,” he writes. “There was absolutely no support for that position within our department. None. I wondered, ‘Is this about security or politics?’ “ False alarm to the American public for a political agenda certainly does not support our national security from real threats. Like crying wolf, such actions can cause us to be nonchalant about such threats.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-30-tom-ridge_N.htm
So, there is some data, wv. This radical, violent hate being swung around by the right-wing is a threat to peace and security.
------------------------------by: Wacon on September 08, 2009 - 10:35 PM | Comment # 10801
tea_time - You need to get a life brother. You’re spending way too much time on these posts. I strongly suspect that all this vitriol you’re spewing is just a cover for the hot man-love you feel for Glenn Beck. It’s only natural(kinda-sorta). He obviously is a handsome man. Nothing to feel ashamed about. I’m sure all your friends at the Daily Kos will understand.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 08, 2009 - 10:37 PM | Comment # 10802
Ah, wildviking, my pet, a day without arguing without you is like a day without sunshine.
Yes, wildviking, science has changed courses because the scientific eviddence says it should. That’s not the same thing as willfull ignorance. I not sure you can tell the difference.
I see you cannot commit to the notion that evolution is a scientific fact. I do have a point here...if you can’t sift through the clutter and noise out there to determine what is true because and only because it is supported by a mountain of scientific evidence, you are easily lost in the wilderness and led astray by demagouges like Glenn Beck, or for that matter, Adolf Hitler.
I have looked into this Van Jones thing. Sorry vetting by the Obama Administration. You are right. He should have been sacked, which is what happened. That doesn’t make Glenn Beck to be Jesus Christ Himself, which is the connection you are drawing. Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day, my friend.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 02:50 AM | Comment # 10806
led astray by demagouges like Glenn Beck, or for that matter, Adolf Hitler.
Oh for shame for shame to bring Hilter into the discussion.. Now PV what would you like to know about Hitler.
And why would you say I could be led astray I am the one speaking up I am the one saying every one has a right to speak in this country . You need to go back and read the tactics that Hitler used in his riseto power and how he took over the country and the people let him. So you go back and study and then you come here and debate me about hitler. As youu no nothing about me or my families history to say that.
You forget Hitler was very popular in his country as he did many things for the people in the 30s he promised change and the people believed and he delivered change and the people believed more . And then they started turning in their neighbors becasue they spoke bad about Hitler . Hitler took over the radio stations because some spoke bad about him as well as the newspapers and still the people trurned in their neighbors . Sound far fetched think it cant happen again?
by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 03:03 AM | Comment # 10807
PV the people posting here demanding people like Glen Beck be silenced are the same ones who stood back in germany and turned their neighbors in when all the radios were confiscated as taking over the broadcasters did not work the people still got their news from out of the country. And right here on this board we have the so called progressives saying those that listen to Glen Beck should be thrown into wood chippers .
And reading the posts here by the progressives reminds me of the stories my mother told me of the war and what happened in europe . So study before you speak because as I have learned from history and i am not going into the wood chipper with out a fight ..
by: tea_time on September 09, 2009 - 07:38 AM | Comment # 10813
No, the people are demanding that Beck being offered a key to the city of M.V. is ridiculous. And there is also some level of demand that people actually stop and think to what they are listening to. Beck can talk all he wants, especially since he says he just talks and doesn’t investigate what he’s saying, but since he’s marketing what he’s saying for a paycheck he may want to consider what he says since now Walmart has even stopped running ads on his show.
Wacon - it was more than worth the approximate 5 minutes of my time to provide that information. Beck rants for HOURS about things he doesn’t even research, so maybe that’s where I went wrong. Rather than condense facts into 5 minutes, I should spend hours just talking about clubbing people and other nonsense.
------------------------------by: thefalsediviner on September 09, 2009 - 07:53 AM | Comment # 10815
I am, truly amazed at how the left wingnuts and right wingnuts have become so intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. It is equally amazing how these opposed wingnuts escalate from a simple question of weather or not a public official has acted with the best interest of the community in mind or not, to freedom of speech and Nazis. Quite frankly, a wingnut may think Glenn Beck is either a hero or a bigot, neither of which is really at issue. Freedom of speech fails to merit consideration here as well. The honors being offered are neither pro or anti freedom of speech, they are only about individual merit. As much as these wingnuts would like us to believe that this goes beyond our local public official, it does not. Are you a wingnut? Well, if you can’t debate the core issue here in a reasonable discourse while only discussing the mayors action, you are a wingnut.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 10:11 AM | Comment # 10842
Not much to debate in the core issue . As the mayor has the right to give a key to anyone he chooses , thats one of the perks of being a mayor. He chooses to give a key to Glen Beck . The mayor has that right if the council wants to change the rules they can ! But this time the mayor can do so if he wishes.
Those who diagree with the mayors choice can stay home and not go to the event . But thats not good enough for them as the posts here prove. They want glen beck silenced no matter how . So If I am a wingnut for sitting here typing and defending our constitution, please share with us the name you call those who have died for us defending the constitution.
by: tea_time on September 09, 2009 - 10:27 AM | Comment # 10845
The mayor also must realize he is there because of citizen votes, his decisions will impact future votes, and his decisions while in office have an impact on the impression of the city. Now, maybe an approach such as “I have this key to the city in hand and its just begging to be let out, who are some good candidates for the key” and let the public decide how they want their city represented - how about that instead of unilateral authoritarianism?
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 10:34 AM | Comment # 10848
Yes and tea your free at the next election to speak out and remind others about this glen beck show and then we all can speak with our votes . mayors all acroos this country have that silly right to hand out keys and silly it is as it opens nothing . I cant find record of any having a vote as to who the key should be given to.. Did the mayor of bellingham as the people in his city if jon stewart was ok with all of them?
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 09, 2009 - 10:53 AM | Comment # 10855
It seems you’ve unsurprisingly missed the gist of the story.
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/1060869.html
by: thefalsediviner on September 09, 2009 - 11:54 AM | Comment # 10874
Wow, wildviking now you are defending the constitution. This is my point exactly, you somehow get from the mayor’s decision and the debate on weather on not it was made with the best interest of the community in mind. Noting, this best interest is mandated for the public office held and failure to act with such interest does have consequences for elected officials as per Washington State Constitution ( See Section 33 ). I find it unfathomable how you get from a controversial action to freedom of speech and the constitution. Are you defending the Mayor’s right to free speech? If so, how is this even about the Mayor’s right to free speech? Are you defending Glenn Becks right to free speech? If so, how does any of the opposition to Glenn Beck being honored impede his right to freedom of speech? See, the fact of the matter is that a rational human would not be able to get from this controversial action to either Bud Norris’, or Glenn Becks right to freedom of speech, because neither bare anything towards the merits of the mayor’s actions.
Those who diagree with the mayors choice can stay home and not go to the event . But thats not good enough for them as the posts here prove.
True, those concerned could boycott the event. They can also choose to not reelect him, or perhaps start the recall process. In any event regardless of your intent you are not in anyway acting in a heroic attempt to protect anybodies freedoms. To answer your question regarding what I call someone who has died protecting our freedoms, patriot would come to mind. Of course, the fact that you have gone from a controversial action by the Mayor to me somehow being ungrateful to those who have died for us defending the constitution, just proves my point further. As patriotic as you may be, in this instance wingnut fits the bill.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 11:57 AM | Comment # 10875
in this instance wingnut fits the bill.
I will take that as a compliment.
------------------------------by: thefalsediviner on September 09, 2009 - 12:09 PM | Comment # 10877
My mistake I wasn’t trying to be complimentary in any way. You might want to consider getting a “I’m a Wingnut” tee-shirt and wearing it in public so that, those who cross paths with you, know what they are dealing with. You wouldn’t want to trick anybody into taking you serious, would you?
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 12:13 PM | Comment # 10879
My mistake I wasn’t trying to be complimentary
oh I am so hurt and here I thought you liked me
------------------------------by: thefalsediviner on September 09, 2009 - 12:39 PM | Comment # 10886
Bingo, this is the stage in the debate where the looser spouts off several seemingly witty one-liner nonsense and somehow feels redeemed. By all means, exercise your freedoms and enjoy your imaginary redemption. Make no mistake, I am not attracted to your wingnut views, your continued bullying tactics on these forums, or your current imaginary crusade for our freedoms. Enjoy the rest of your day, and try to be a little more prepared next time.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 12:43 PM | Comment # 10887
hink this quote fits here again just perfect in my debate with you
There are two reliable ways of telling if you have won an argument. The first is if your disputants switch from discussion of the facts to accusations about motives; the second, more obviously, is if they descend to mere abuse
------------------------------by: thefalsediviner on September 09, 2009 - 01:08 PM | Comment # 10893
Exactly, you lost sight of the facts way back when, and now you are attempting to leverage some unattributed quote. For what purpose? I’m still on target here. You’ve failed to answer any of my questions when I’ve tried to answer all of yours. Are you attempting to imply that my motives are questionable or that you’ve been abused? Which is it? You sling terms like “progressives” out in a clear effort to be coy or insulting. Yet if anyone offends you or portrays your behavior in a manner you find unflattering, you’re the first one to cry foul. I’m sorry you can’t debate very well. I’m also sorry that you basis for debate is flawed. Maybe you should try to show some wisdom when you decide to jump in on a subject. In any event you’re only getting abuse because you keep coming back for more. In an effort to be humane, I’m going to refrain from addressing you for the rest of the day, please enjoy the rest of your day.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 09, 2009 - 01:25 PM | Comment # 10898
The first question you posed today was Are you a wingnut ? Then you went ahead and answered the question for me and told me i was . Your other questions you posed were general in nature and as you had allready decided i was a wing nut i saw no reason to carry on any more trying to convince you otherwise , as your mind was made up allready.
Please dont worry about being humane. Us wingnuts can take all the abuse a half-wit can dishout and then some . OOPPS I called a name I try and not do that as I find I can argue quite well with out resorting to child like name calling , but hey I slip up once in awhile as its seems like I should drop down to the level you all are at to keep it even .
And I have been enjoying my day allready, the market just closed it was a good day.
by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:53 PM | Comment # 10938
A really good point wildviking.
The point here is that we desperately need to
CAN BUD NORRIS AT THE NEXT POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY
I will quit posting here and start putting my energies toward sacking Bud Norris.
I encourage every other sane person on this blog to do likewise.
Let’s leave wildviking and others here to play with themselves.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:54 PM | Comment # 10939
GET RID OF BUD NORRIS
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:55 PM | Comment # 10940
FIND SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A MORON TO RUN AGAINST BUD NORRIS
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:55 PM | Comment # 10941
WORK HARD TO RETIRE BUD
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:56 PM | Comment # 10942
BUD NORRIS MUST GO
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:56 PM | Comment # 10943
SEND NORRIS TO THE FARM TEAM
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:57 PM | Comment # 10944
NORRIS FOR DOGCATCHER
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:57 PM | Comment # 10945
NOMORRIS NORRIS
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:57 PM | Comment # 10946
DROP KICK BUD NORRIS THROUGH THE GOALPOSTS OF ELECTORAL DEFEAT
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:58 PM | Comment # 10947
THROW BUD IN THE MUD
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:58 PM | Comment # 10948
FLOOD BUD WITH VOTES FOR SOMEONE ELSE
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 05:59 PM | Comment # 10949
I really like exercising my freedom, wildviking. Great idea. Thank you for defending my freedom, wildviking, with you semiliterate rants.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:01 PM | Comment # 10950
I encourage everyone on all blogs relating to Glenn Beck to keep up a steady message: get rid of Bud Norris. We can rant and rave about Glenn Beck all we want, and we can’t really do anything about it. We CAN get rid of our idiot mayor at the next possible opportunity.
THIS IS ABOUT BUD. SACK BUD NORRIS.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:01 PM | Comment # 10952
NO MORE BUD
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:02 PM | Comment # 10953
NORRIS MUST GO
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:02 PM | Comment # 10954
ALL WE ARE SAYING…
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:02 PM | Comment # 10955
...IS BUD HAS NO CHANCE
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:03 PM | Comment # 10956
HEY HO
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 09, 2009 - 06:24 PM | Comment # 10957
I have the feeling Bud doesn’t intend to run and this Beck farce is meant to be his lasting legacy.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:41 PM | Comment # 10959
OK, but let’s not take any chances.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:42 PM | Comment # 10960
HEY HO HEY HO
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 09, 2009 - 06:42 PM | Comment # 10961
BUD MUST GO
------------------------------by: ClemsRevenge on September 09, 2009 - 08:13 PM | Comment # 10971
Pubis Veneris....enough already. You’re abusing your privilige to post here.
------------------------------by: Screwed on September 09, 2009 - 08:41 PM | Comment # 10973
Kutos wildviking! Looks like Pubis Hilarious self destructed. imho
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 10, 2009 - 01:20 AM | Comment # 10992
yes and they call me a wing nut LOL
------------------------------by: thefalsediviner on September 10, 2009 - 10:02 AM | Comment # 11030
Pubis Veneris is obviously a flaming double wingnut, wildviking call it childish name calling if you like but when wingnut fits the bill, it is what it is. In this case, you should pass the tee-shirt on to Pubis Veneris as he needs a warning label more than you do in the interest of public safety. It is a shame that your short lived wingnut title run was lost to the undisputed flaming wingnut champion of Skagit County only hours later, better luck next time. I can only hope to hold my half-wit title much longer. A fortunes would have it, I’m sure that someone in a tinfoil hat will get the best of me someday.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 11, 2009 - 05:04 AM | Comment # 11151
From what I’ve heard, Beck has a very difficult time with truth and doesn’t have the education to know the difference anyway. His rage appears to be more animalistic than human. When confronted about blatant lies, Beck says he doesn’t research, he’s not an investigative reporter, he just talks. Its a definite lowering of the bar that he’s been granted any airtime at all.
From what you have heard? Haven’t you watched his show to form your own opinion?
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 11, 2009 - 05:38 AM | Comment # 11152
So tell us how did you evolve to become such a superior great mind and why oh why would you waste your time with such lowlifes as us ?
Speak for yourself
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 11, 2009 - 07:47 AM | Comment # 11161
I have listened to his show and had enough of his instability, and ranting, and dishonesty, and lack of education, and narcissism, and inciting violence, Jo.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 11, 2009 - 08:37 AM | Comment # 11169
Screwed, wildviking, and “Communist Fluoridators Want to Infiltrate My Precious Bodily Fluid” aka Jo Roark:
I have decided that you are right. Glenn Beck is free to speak his mind. Who cares about him. He is a blowhard gasbag that has found a way to make money by being a blowhard, an occupation that is probably alot easier than the way the rest of us put food on the table. Beck is probably loving the publicity here. It is an embarassment to our community, but this will pass.
The real issue here is that Bud Norris is the worst and most incompetent mayor imaginable. He doesn’t care about anything besides his narcissistic self.
Norris needs to be put out to pasture at the first possible opportunity. We all need to put our energy to that end.
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 11, 2009 - 08:45 AM | Comment # 11172
NIP THE MAYOR IN THE BUD
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 11, 2009 - 08:47 AM | Comment # 11174
I think, PV, he’s going to bail out before anyone gets a chance to nip.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 11, 2009 - 10:16 AM | Comment # 11188
thefalsediviner,
Bingo, this is the stage in the debate where the looser spouts off several seemingly witty one-liner nonsense and somehow feels redeemed. By all means, exercise your freedoms and enjoy your imaginary redemption. Make no mistake, I am not attracted to your wingnut views, your continued bullying tactics on these forums, or your current imaginary crusade for our freedoms. Enjoy the rest of your day, and try to be a little more prepared next time.
Perhaps you should just put wv on ignore, avoiding any future tantrums.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 11, 2009 - 10:18 AM | Comment # 11189
A really good point wildviking.
The point here is that we desperately need to
CAN BUD NORRIS AT THE NEXT POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY
I will quit posting here and start putting my energies toward sacking Bud Norris.
I encourage every other sane person on this blog to do likewise.
Let’s leave wildviking and others here to play with themselves.
I wouldn’t waste my time trying to sack Bud Norris, he didn’t break any laws.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 11, 2009 - 10:25 AM | Comment # 11192
Screwed, wildviking, and “Communist Fluoridators Want to Infiltrate My Precious Bodily Fluid” aka Jo Roark:
We won the fight against fluoride, did we not? The only thing the other side had to offer was childish name calling, Heh heh heh heh heh
------------------------------by: unaffiliated on September 11, 2009 - 10:31 AM | Comment # 11196
What I don’t get is why this needed to be a paid-ticketed event. Aren’t key-giving ceremonies generally held in public spaces and open to all? I called the mayor’s office and they couldn’t answer.
By having it behind closed doors for paying customers, there’s a suggestion of hiding inside with warm applause. Are they afraid of a gaggle of people with signs, or is this a made-for-tv event for a show the following week? Bet on the latter: Glenn does safeco field in front of the flag-waving masses. Then Glenn comes home for an intimate reunion with his old neighbors. Cut to the flag-waving audience. Cut to the 6 protesters outside in the rain. (They’ll interview (or employ) one of them to basically say “Duhh.") Back inside Glenn’s talking about what a nice, honest small town MV was before all the liberals showed up. Cut to the audience all nodding. They’ll edit out the part where he suggests they all go downtown and club to death everyone coming out of the co-op.
Smile, everyone, you’re going to be on tv!
------------------------------by: Zach! on September 11, 2009 - 11:51 AM | Comment # 11206
Someone commenting on another article about this story made his case pretty clear:
“Those of you who agree or object to this based on the beliefs and celebrity of Mr. Beck are really missing the point. This should not be debate about politics, but rather a debate on whether this mans achievements have provided to the community in a clearly positive way.”
I half-agree with what this person said. Key-giving is not about politics or his beliefs. I think everyone has different opinions of what should qualify a person to receive this honor. What should matter most about this issue is if the people of Mount Vernon themselves think Glenn Beck deserves a key.
Obviously the majority of their city council disapproves of this, and this event can be a learning experience and an opportunity to change the Municipal Law if the city people feel it should be. And maybe then they will decide to fix a problem I see with this: charging taxpayers to see an event for which they are probably already paying.
But let’s not blow this out of proportion. This is a key to a city, not a license to kill, spread propaganda or annoy liberals. The mayor just likes this guy. If the people of the city disagree with him, they’ll take it up with him in the next election.
-Liberal in New York
------------------------------by: Publius Valerius on September 11, 2009 - 09:20 PM | Comment # 11279
exactly the right idea. take this up with Bud at the next election.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 11, 2009 - 10:08 PM | Comment # 11284
I don’t believe Bud is going to up for re-election, I think he is retiring at least that is what I heard.
------------------------------by: Zach! on September 12, 2009 - 07:02 AM | Comment # 11298
Still, if the majority of people in Mount Vernon feel strongly against the holiday, I’m sure the disapproving city council members (six of seven turned down free tickets) would have no problem fighting to repeal it.
If they can’t get the support of the people behind them, then clearly not enough people in the city are worried about this for it to be such a controversial issue.
Worst case scenario, it doesn’t get repealed. Dress up like a republican and take off work for the holiday.
------------------------------by: Setay on September 13, 2009 - 09:53 PM | Comment # 11397
Since Beck is one of the main encouragers of shouting people down at town halls, I say we make him eat his words. Make offensive signs and scream “CONSPIRACY THEORIST” through his entire ceremony. If not then the only people who will show up will be the right-wing fringe and it would appear that Mt. Vernon is strongly behind the idea.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 13, 2009 - 10:15 PM | Comment # 11400
Since Beck is one of the main encouragers of shouting people down at town halls, I say we make him eat his words. Make offensive signs and scream “CONSPIRACY THEORIST” through his entire ceremony. If not then the only people who will show up will be the right-wing fringe and it would appear that Mt. Vernon is strongly behind the idea.
Doesn’t seem at all productive to me
------------------------------by: Zach! on September 13, 2009 - 10:26 PM | Comment # 11401
I think that’s like saying since thousands of republicans show up to the National Republican Concention, people will assume Americans are all in agreement with the GOP.
Besides, I think the bigger issue isn’t how this situation appears nationally, to the media, or to anyone other than the people of Mount Vernon. I think the issue should be if Mount Vernon’s people overwhelming approve or disapprove of this holiday. If they disapprove, they will take care of this problem on their own, and probably with the support of their city council. And hopefully with tact!
-Way too liberal to be defending republicans
------------------------------by: Pennie on September 14, 2009 - 03:31 PM | Comment # 11476
Still, if the majority of people in Mount Vernon feel strongly against the holiday,. . .
I wonder if that’s really true. There are a lot of squeaky wheels on this post, but they might not represent the majority.
What I don’t get is why this needed to be a paid-ticketed event.
I’m not sure, but I’ve heard the profits will go to benefit the Lincoln Theater Foundation. Do you think the Foundation will turn down the donation?
------------------------------by: Zach! on September 14, 2009 - 04:35 PM | Comment # 11478
I did not mean to imply that the people of Mount Vernon probably do or do not agree with the holiday. It was hypothetical.
I also do not understand why this event is not free. Most likely the taxpayers of Mount Vernon are paying for this event, and it’s their city. If that turns out to be true, I think they should all be invited.
------------------------------by: unaffiliated on September 14, 2009 - 10:36 PM | Comment # 11513
I’ve read that either all or some of the profits are going to the Lincoln Theatre Foundation. There’s nothing on the city’s or foundation’s websites that confirms this. There’s something incompatible about the Lincoln and Beck. I’ll make a wild generalization here, but it doesn’t seem like the audience for the Lincoln’s programming is Beck’s audience. I mean, they’re showing Dr. Strangelove this week. It also begs the question: why didn’t they just hold the event at the Lincoln Theatre?
------------------------------by: Pennie on September 15, 2009 - 12:09 PM | Comment # 11571
Most likely the taxpayers of Mount Vernon are paying for this event,
I think I read in the SVH that Mayor Norris is paying for this out of his own pocket. If that’s not true, I’m sure someone will correct me.
it doesn’t seem like the audience for the Lincoln’s programming is Beck’s audience.
Exactly, which is why I wonder if they will/should turn down the donation.
why didn’t they just hold the event at the Lincoln Theatre?
Here’s a possibility: Lincoln seats 500. McIntyre seats 651. Both are in MV, so the way the mayor set this up seems fair to me.
------------------------------by: unaffiliated on September 15, 2009 - 12:15 PM | Comment # 11572
I asked the mayor’s office this morning and they said he booked McIntyre because the Lincoln was already booked for the 26th.
------------------------------by: Lady Juliette on September 19, 2009 - 06:22 PM | Comment # 11961
Check out the Letters to the Editor on 9/14/09 regarding Glen Beck.
It’s under Shedding light on Beck.
Very good and interesting reading. Clears up some things.
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 19, 2009 - 07:13 PM | Comment # 11963
:spit: Hardly, Julie. (roll my eyes) Data? None of course, like Beck’s rants. Tell me, what do you think would happen to you if you walked into a place of business and started yelling you were going to bash people’s heads in with shovels, and that you’re not sure if you should get a hit man to kill someone you disagree with or just do it yourself, then say if you did do it yourself you think you’d feel ok about it? What would happen to you? OH!! I know! Bud Norris would give you a key to the city!
The writer rants about “czars” but that term is something well-known to the right-wing and rarely if ever used in context by Democrats. Its one of those vilifying talking points that has little to do with fact. Does that help clear up the rant by an obvious Beck apologist?
Let me know when you find out what happens to you in the public situation I described above. (sipping my coffee)
------------------------------by: Lady Juliette on September 19, 2009 - 10:52 PM | Comment # 11982
I see your words tea_time but you make no sense at all. Just because you don’t like Beck doesn’t mean we all have to be like you. Like the good Dr. said, you don’t like him because he is right on with what he see’s and he calls them like they are. Don’t like him then don’t read or listen to him. Simple solution.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 19, 2009 - 11:26 PM | Comment # 11985
The writer rants about “czars” but that term is something well-known to the right-wing and rarely if ever used in context by Democrats
Sorry tea the term Czar is used by many sources some of your favorites as well as the US goverment included so your silly argument holds no truth at all .... (Lets all rollour eyes over Teas made up facts again )
From Teas choice of Democrat news the huffington post
Obama Nominating Seattle Police Chief as Drug Czar
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ethan-nadelmann/obama-nominating-seattle_b_173921.html
from goverment Office of National Drug Control Policy
Press Release
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Monday, August 17, 2009
CONTACT: ONDCP Public Affairs 202-395-6618
U.S. Drug Czar Awards $60 Million To 565 Drug-Free Communities Continuation Grantees
New Drug-Free Communities Will Be Announced in Late August
(Washington, D.C.)—Today, R. Gil Kerlikowske, Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, awarded $60 million in Drug-Free Communities (DFC) Continuation Grants to 565 Drug-Free Communities coalitions and five DFC Mentor Continuation coalitions. These grants will assist local community coalitions as they work to prevent and reduce youth substance use.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 19, 2009 - 11:53 PM | Comment # 11990
Tea do you think you could do just a small basic amout of reasearch before making silly statements like above it took me under 1 minute to find copy and paste just those two examples of the use of Czar by other than the right wing .. Come on gime me a littel challange to find something that takes a bit more time to expose your made up talking points .. Just because you listen to folks like Mike Malloy you should do basic research before believing the hate and lies put out on the radio by him he makes glen beck look like a saint compared to the BS he spouts every day . But I get almost as big a laugh listening to him as i do folling your posts .. Perhaps you can help me out a bit here tea .. You being a progressive thinker and all that.. The other day i was listening to malloy saying that people who believe in god were stupid and there was no logic in their minds at all to belive in a god anymore so then the tooth fariy yet. Yet the next day he said the glen becks of the world will all wind up in hell . Now could you explain Malloys logic to me ? If there is no god how can there be a hell for those that do not agree with Mr Malloy? I find that kind of progressive thinking a bit off the logic mark .
Oh and dont think I am a member of any religious group or following as i am not I just find people like Malloy interesting as they despise those that follow gods word yet they want others to respect their beliefs yet make fun of others .. This porgressive cult seems to have strange logic .
by: ppllc on September 23, 2009 - 04:35 AM | Comment # 12332
Glenn Beck SHOP MOUNT VERNON MONTH --- Celibrate Glenn Beck and OUR MAYOR Norris
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 23, 2009 - 08:17 AM | Comment # 12345
If you link a liberal site, that is linking to a Washington Post story, does that make it so? What the author at Huffington was doing was commenting on the WaPo story.
You see, wv, you stumble over yourself in your very own post.
The position is: Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy - as the link states.
But, for fear-factor and divisiveness, some have chosen to place instead the title “czar.”
Google “Obama Czar List” and the #1 hit - Glenn Beck. See how he’s playing with you, and you apparently like it?
Then, the Free Republican and their list of “44 Czars” - which aren’t “czars” at all. Click on their names to see what they’ve actually been appointed to do. Oh...but that would take a little effort, that might require a little more brain power than just to throw out the horrific “czar” terminology.
http://washingtonindependent.com/58274/gop-rep-grabs-czar-list-from-freerepublic
Now, the gist of the story: Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy awarded grants to hundreds of coalitions to address the issue of drugs and our children. That’s great, good news.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 23, 2009 - 11:25 AM | Comment # 12370
Tea there you go again I posted right from the goverment website the proof that the term Czar is even used from the drug czars office in a press release and you continue to insist that it is all glen becks fault . Your amazing tea your lack of comprehension is so cute it’s so child like ..
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 23, 2009 - 11:35 AM | Comment # 12374
You will never learn, wv. Like I said, type in “obama czar list” and what do you get? Glenn Beck.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 23, 2009 - 11:43 AM | Comment # 12377
You will never learn, wv. Like I said, type in “obama czar list” and what do you get? Glenn Beck
Yes tea I understand that glen beck is every where did you see even on the cover of time magazine . WOW and yes tea he will be in Google as well .. And i understand in your world he is the fault of everthing you
perceive to be wrong with the world .. You must be having trouble sleeping at night knowing Glen beck is behind everything .. Hiding under rocks and behind doors just waiting and plotting I suppose the next earthquake will be his fault as well .. Thanks again for the laugh Tea
by: tea_time on September 23, 2009 - 11:54 AM | Comment # 12378
Ummm....no. Its obvious you are not understanding. The more you rant, the more it is made apparent. Is it “The Czars” who are coming to get you and Mr. Beck? Cause and effect, you see.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 23, 2009 - 12:13 PM | Comment # 12381
the whole free speech thing is at any rate a bit of a fraud meant to serve global corporations and obstruct policies of the kind our society needs.
Well tea the above was written by mark Lloyd the FCC Czar as you like them to be called could you explain to those of us with simple minds what he meant .. As i get a bit worried when people who took an oath to protect and defend the constitution start to say things like free speech is a fraud . So tell me tea what did he mean by his statement
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 23, 2009 - 12:30 PM | Comment # 12385
The only resource I can find on that is at Politico where the statement is assigned to him on someone’s blog posting but offers no transcript to see the statement in context. An alternate resource at “Eat it or wear it, paint it blue and get it the [*] out of here” produces a 37-second clip (very poor sound quality, lots of echo, unable to translate), but again nothing to know the context or any link to factual data. Is that your attempt at subject change because some talking head planted the seed to get you hyped about something else? Searching “Lloyd FCC Czar”, again I get Malkin and Beck as top hits.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 23, 2009 - 12:38 PM | Comment # 12388
Is that your attempt at subject change because some talking head planted the seed to get you hyped about something else?
No I am just glad talking head are talking about people such as Lloyd and talking about what they have said in the past
And you may want to fix your Google as it seems to be obsessed with Beck. because if it was working correctly you would have found he wrote this in a 2006 book called Prologue to a Farce: Communications and Democracy in America. So when you get it fixed you can explain to me what mr lloyd meant when he said FREE SPEECH IS A FRAUD .
by: tea_time on September 23, 2009 - 01:48 PM | Comment # 12397
I’ll bet you’ve read it cover to cover, and did so in 2006 when it came out and not after the right-wing talking heads brought it up? What is the book about actually, wv? Please share your summary.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 23, 2009 - 01:55 PM | Comment # 12398
Oh now tea here you go again embarrasing yourself again because you spout things out and when asked a simple question you want to avoid it and want me to do your work for you .. no this time I will let you play the fool all on your own , your getting good at it!
------------------------------by: Zach! on September 23, 2009 - 03:19 PM | Comment # 12422
I think this argument has gotten a bit off-topic. I for one couldn’t care less if we call a man the Drug Czar as long as he does his job affectively and appropriately. Same goes for the FCC Czar, the CIA Czar, the FDIC Czar, or anybody else. But this isn’t a topic about czars or presidential appointees.
Glenn Beck is receiving a key to a city. There’s no need for insults or condescension in this argument. Maybe we should be asking ourselves a new question: how does this affect anybody except Glenn Beck and his fans who may get to meet him?
And just out of curiosity, are either of you two (wildviking and tea_time) residents of Mount Vernon?
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 23, 2009 - 03:21 PM | Comment # 12426
Yes i am
------------------------------by: tea_time on September 23, 2009 - 07:11 PM | Comment # 12443
So in other words you do not know what the book says. You heard people quote a line from it and have no idea what it is about. I considered MV as a place of residence but seeing what I have seen - no way. Violence seems to be on the rise and the mayor is bizarre.
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 25, 2009 - 10:02 PM | Comment # 12827
Not bizarre, the mayor is inviting big fat dominionist-type investors to his city to watch Beck grab the key to the city before he flies home to watch himself on the evening news. This is about a new world order coming to Skagit Valley now that they’re not welcome in DC. Sarah Palin and Anne Coulter will probably retire here so they can ride horses together and drink raw cow’s milk to control their testosterone levels.
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 25, 2009 - 10:08 PM | Comment # 12828
They should try tapping themselves into puget power’s lines at the end of riverbend road by plugging into one of those milk-free cows - they’ll say its alternative energy and demand everyone pay them for the extra savings to the global economy. Run Sarah run.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 25, 2009 - 10:11 PM | Comment # 12829
Executive Branch czars, hmm..it looks like the only president that didn’t have czars is JFK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars
The word czar can also be spelled tsar. Czar is the most common form in American usage and the one nearly always employed in the extended senses “any tyrant” or informally, “one in authority.” But tsar is preferred by most scholars of Slavic studies as a more accurate transliteration of the Russian and is often found in scholarly writing with reference to one of the Russian emperors.
So actually what we have is a bunch of tyrants? Drug tyrant, FCC tyrant, am I getting warm?
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 25, 2009 - 10:19 PM | Comment # 12830
This is about a new world order coming to Skagit Valley now that they’re not welcome in DC. Sarah Palin and Anne Coulter will probably retire here so they can ride horses together and drink raw cow’s milk to control their testosterone levels.
Ahh..so we have a “new world order” right here in mv? So are you saying Bud Norris is the new world order czar? Or is it tyrant?
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 25, 2009 - 10:25 PM | Comment # 12831
Imagine bussing kids to Anacortes every day. To save money on gas the residents would pray to part the waters of Padilla Bay.
It would be far easier and cheaper for Anacortes school leaders to move an empty school up river on a barge than try to appease a group of pre-millennialist Davidian parents.
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 25, 2009 - 10:27 PM | Comment # 12832
You seem to know - I think they belong on the north side of the Samish River with the Swedes. Bud thinks otherwise.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 25, 2009 - 10:30 PM | Comment # 12833
Violence seems to be on the rise and the mayor is bizarre.
That is what happens when the YD’s are allowed out of their playpen.
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 25, 2009 - 10:47 PM | Comment # 12835
No, I’m saying Bud is growth-oriented and impartial. That’s not necessarily good for planning purposes, nor is it sustainable. What do you think? I’d like to see more thought put into education and improving the quality of life for residents already living here.
------------------------------by: wildviking on September 25, 2009 - 10:49 PM | Comment # 12836
hey Tattatu how long have you lived here ?
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 25, 2009 - 11:33 PM | Comment # 12841
Yes Bud is growth oriented but he is limited, fortunately. Mount Vernon can’t go much further east or west and of course Burlington borders Mount Vernon to the North. The only land left is to the South and then he has the farmers and the 100 year floodplain to deal with so that won’t work. He only way he can really go is up. As far as education I believe there is no better education than home schooling, of course, depending on the parents. I think money should be spent to clean up the gang situation and the drug dealing which the city seems to turn a blind eye to. I moved here about 5 years ago and its gotten considerably worse since I have been here. I lived in town for about 3 years and then moved to a farm on the outskirts of MV. First and foremost I would like to see MV cleaned up.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 25, 2009 - 11:36 PM | Comment # 12843
The only thing the police are concerned about is giving seatbelt tickets out to make money for MV.
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 26, 2009 - 01:33 AM | Comment # 12848
That’s not true and if you actually thought that, it shows how little respect you have for law enforcement. Your over-concern is most revealing.
I like Mount Vernon, although I think most kids have a difficult time finding employment and making ends meet here and if you’re motivated you can move away. I didn’t mind the poverty or the gangs that I saw while I was here. I did see some kids smoking a joint together at about 7 o’clock in the morning on their way to school. That did not happen very often. I’d lock up the dope peddlers, but kids? Not really.
The street gangs I’ve seen make yours look very friendly. I’ve been mugged and both times managed to talk my way out of losing something. I used to talk myself into coming back here but each time I returned, I realized I’d made another mistake.
I’m old enough to remember cold mornings on the river, Shakey’s pizza, and the salmon wars. I’m old enough to know they don’t exist anymore.
------------------------------by: Zach! on September 26, 2009 - 08:30 AM | Comment # 12852
Well, I’m going to wrap up my commentary on here. We’re not really staying on topic anymore. I wish you Mount Vernon residents the best of luck.
Happy Glenn Beck Day! I’m celebrating with a martini already.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 26, 2009 - 09:25 AM | Comment # 12857
That’s not true and if you actually thought that, it shows how little respect you have for law enforcement. Your over-concern is most revealing.
When there is gang related shootings then its out of control and there is no such thing as over concern. Is the time for us to be concerned when someone is killed? Especially when its some innocent bystander? Small gangs turn into big gangs and young thugs turn into older thugs.
The street gangs I’ve seen make yours look very friendly. I’ve been mugged and both times managed to talk my way out of losing something. I used to talk myself into coming back here but each time I returned, I realized I’d made another mistake.
So what you are saying is that we shouldn’t worry about the gang problem because there are worse gangs out there? Perhaps in those areas where the gang issues are worse they were just ignored until it got out of hand.
Law enforcements job is to make money for the city, first and foremost
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 26, 2009 - 11:26 AM | Comment # 12871
As long as you have smiling alligators pandering skagit valley real estate to post-tribbees in Skagit communities where there are many seasonal, working-class poor, and unlanded gentry, and a growing Hispanic population that is not being served well by an overburdened school system there will always be gangs of young, jobless alienated adults both white and hispanic. That was occurring even before the dawn of civilization.
As a modern world person (as in one who can drive a car and use a phone) you will have to turn that attitude around with kindness and understanding.
Get used to it, the people you elected are responsible for this. I’d start building homeless shelters, while as a person such as yourself they might go find a Davidian compound and go live in it hoping for armageddon, there are plenty of those in the Northwest (why skagit valley?). Your making me think I’m a conservative. The police enforce the laws - they are not extortionists as you say!
------------------------------by: tattatu on September 26, 2009 - 11:43 AM | Comment # 12872
I’d like to be a liberal. What is to be conservative about Beck? Nothing. Worse he doesn’t even believe in the antebellic lies and apernambucobucolisms he’s spreading.
If you’re listening to his tirades and believing him; then shame on you. You deserve more of them, not less.
------------------------------by: Jo Roark on September 26, 2009 - 02:07 PM | Comment # 12884
tattatu,
You speak as though you are the final word on everything. It doesn’t much matter whether you believe Beck or not but I can surely bet you that ACORN and Van Jones gets it, and next, the Apollo Alliance.
When this whole thing concerning Beck came up I thought because he was with mainstream media that the was spewing the same garbage they all do. I decided to watch him and realized through my own education over the past few years that he was right.
Beck is neither a conservative or a liberal, if you knew anything about him you would know he is a libertarian. We have 2 choices, either we like the corruption or we don’t, Beck doesn’t and neither do I. If you like it then that is your choice.
by: Jo Roark on September 27, 2009 - 07:50 AM | Comment # 12974
Get used to it, the people you elected are responsible for this. I’d start building homeless shelters, while as a person such as yourself they might go find a Davidian compound and go live in it hoping for armageddon, there are plenty of those in the Northwest (why skagit valley?). Your making me think I’m a conservative. The police enforce the laws - they are not extortionists as you say!
Build homeless shelters for teenage gang members that already have homes and parents? I grew up poor but it didn’t make me want to shoot someone or steal from anyone.
The police are not there to protect us, they are there to make money.
Davidian compound? Where did you get that from?
I’d like to see more thought put into education and improving the quality of life for residents already living here.
I think quality of life includes not being shot at.
------------------------------by: Screwed on September 28, 2009 - 11:27 AM | Comment # 13119
I think quality of life includes not being shot at.
Amen Jo. That’s why I support and participate in the 2nd amendment. imho
------------------------------by: sgtmac on October 04, 2009 - 12:44 PM | Comment # 13707
JUST THROW BUD NORRIS OUT ON HIS CAN.
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