Still shooting blanks I see, LaCanner. If that is the best your “strategy groups” can come up with, you are to be pitied.

@Don Johnson

i find it odd that you assume everyone that disagrees with you is part of some vast conspiracy or group.  perhaps your massive intake of poisonous fluoride has made you paranoid?

I assume nothing, LaCanner. Unlike you and richiem999, I have been quite clear and have backed up everything I have posted. Every time the two of you post, however, you prove my point that you have nothing with which to work. Show me one *double-blinded* study that proves water fluoridation is as safe and effective as you claim or admit defeat and leave with your tails tucked between your legs.

According to J. William Hirzy, Ph.D., Senior Vice-President of the National Treasury Employees Union Chapter 280, “Regarding the effectiveness of fluoride in reducing dental cavities, there has not been any double-blind study of fluoride’s effectiveness as a caries preventative. There have been many, many small scale, selective publications on this issue that proponents cite to justify fluoridation, but the largest and most comprehensive study, one done by dentists trained by the National Institute of Dental Research, on over 39,000 school children aged 5-17 years, shows no significant differences (in terms of decayed, missing and filled teeth) among caries incidences in fluoridated, non-fluoridated and partially fluoridated communities.(**) (continued below)

“The latest publication (***) on the fifty-year fluoridation experiment in two New York cities, Newburgh and Kingston, shows the same thing. The only significant difference in dental health between the two communities as a whole is that fluoridated Newburgh, N.Y. shows about twice the incidence of dental fluorosis (the first, visible sign of fluoride chronic toxicity) as seen in non-fluoridated Kingston.”

**Water fluoridation and tooth decay: Results from the 1986-1987 national survey of U.S. school children. Yiamouyannis, J. Fluoride 23 55-67(1990).
***Recommendations for fluoride use in children. Kumar, J.V. and Green, E.L. New York State Dent. J.(1998) 40-47.

“Why EPA Headquarters Union of Scientists Opposes Fluoridation”
http://nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm

I have never seen a pro-fluoride person step up to the plate and use their real names, hmmm...They must be ashamed of people knowing who they really are. Well, that is what happens when people push for something they really know is harmful, they have to resort to anonymity.

As always Don, you are right on!

@lacanner, you can lead your Fool’s Parade all in your own.

Carbon filtration and chlorine don’t have any affect on Fluroide.  That chemical will get through any water process or filtration system.

You are free to take all the medications you want....but don’t be surprised that people deeply resent being forced by county commissars to ingest chemical waste.

Well Lacannar, I guess if Don is paranoid about fluoride then so is the NRC, the ADA, the AMA, 1500 EPA scientists, most of Europe and the countless dentists and doctors across the country signing petitions to stop this insane practice. I don’t think that you even realize that you are rapidly becoming the minority. I don’t think that people that push fluoride understand that they are not only putting the community as risk but also their own families for generations to come. Make sure you keep your head in the sand because its the only way that you can push this toxic substance without conscience.

Right you are, Jo Roark! I see Priggee has another one of his hit pieces worthy of its place in the SVH. One of the flippers attached to his PUD character is labeled “science,” as if any has been presented by the pro-fluoridationists. Does Priggee know that the Attorney General’s opinion is *not* an endorsement of Munks’ and Dahlstedt’s public policy making (to borrow a phrase from Tracy Garland’s speech)? Priggee’s symbolism regarding the Prop 2 outcome reveals the same old wishful thinking over what constitutes a voter mandate. It’s too bad a little thing like the Bill of Rights has to get in the way. I think the PUD is going to have to mandate the safety of its ratepayers before this is over.

http://www.goskagit.com/images/opinion/4-06-priggee.jpg

At yesterday’s PUD Commissioners’ meeting, I read the above excerpt from Dr. Hirzy. With an air of superiority, Faith Ireland (attorney for WDSF) stood up and announced that he is just a union worker, as if to suggest that Dr. Hirzy is some blue collar beer guzzling ne’er do well who never finished high school. She couldn’t attack the message, so she went for the messenger’s throat. For the record, J. William Hirzy is a Ph.D. scientist of long standing who sat on the panel of the National Research Council for its recent fluoridation study. Ireland then made reference to some 500-page Navy research project that Clure has offered to the PUD. Did it come from the same pool of military doctors who tell our returning troops that Gulf War Syndrome is all in their heads?

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoridationfraud.html
I urge everyone concerned to read the above article. To quote from one of the last paragraphs:  “Bottom line: There are no benefits to fluoridation. We actually pay the phosphate fertilizer industries for their crude hazardous waste. Fluoridation contributes to many health problems and hither dental bills, and causes more (not less) suffering. Only big business wins with fluoridation--not our children (or us). “
Also: “50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation,” by Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry, St. Lawrence University, NY 13617, see http://www.fluoridealert.org.
Thanks for looking.  The more you investigate the more you find out that this is NOT a good idea.

This is for richiem999, I asked my cows whether they would drink your water and their answer was a loud “mooooo...o.k.” but...then on the condition that you and me would be willing to drink their milk-a-day everyday! Wa-da-ya-say rickitay?

I heard from the animal kingdom that all them skagit cows with their buddies will gonna stage a big run down to the PUD grounds the moment their drink water smells any “F’s”

scrugg, you are perplexing.  I’m guessing you’re anti-fluoride, but you really seem more pro-cow than anything else.  It reminds me of Ifarm.  You two wouldn’t be related, would you?  Or do you just share a mutual love for our bovine friends?

Has anyone read this?

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/index.asp

Particularly the “safety” section?

Fluoride at dosage levels in public water systems is a proven effective solution.  If you are against it you need to start paying for the care of the poor and children with the disease.  Secondly if you were correct about all the negative side effects of Fluoride, why can’t you produce studies from Anacortes and Seattle populations that show it?  You can’t because it isn’t there.  You use scare tactics to hurt your fellow man.  Shame on you!

Common Sense:  Commone sense is becoming more and more uncommon these days—great to see you expressing some.

Why doesn’t Delta Dental/Washington Dental Service put the Millions they donate to where it is really needed?
Look into where the money goes,
it is not into care.
Shame on you!
and Common Sense
do you mean if you don’t look it does not exist?
Read the 2006 NRC report and Just maybe, you will learn something.

The report “should be a wake-up call.”
Dr. Robert Isaacson, NRC Panel Member.

“If you are against it you need to start paying for the care of the poor and children with the disease.”

As if I don’t ALREADY pay for these things.

Irtnog-You DO NOT pay for it.  You also do not have to look the scared 9 year old in the eyes to numb them to remove rotten teeth, because the parents couldn’t parent.  Or listen to the pregant 16 year old girl cry who has decay in every tooth and no money.  Until you treat and pay for this population you have no business commenting on Fluoride and that goes for Don Johnson and Jo Roark too.  Educate yourselves on really issues of Public Health before you use these anti-fluoride scare tactics.

Nice drama Common sense, I hear the violins playing.
Back at you
So following your train of thought, the elderly can’t afford their drugs on Social Security, should we inject the drug of the month into our drinking water and call it Public Health?
I have seen the worry of an 80+ year olds face on how they will be able to afford to pay for their laundry list of drugs.

Your kidding right?  Tell me you are not as spoiled, heartless, self-serving and radical as the last post.  The Anti-Fluoride group needs to come to the table with something other than law suits, ideas of make the government pay for it, scare tactics and threats.  You need get some basic Chemistry education and understand dosages and parts per million calculations.  Contribute to society, don’t be a drain on it.

Tell me how you figure I don’t already pay for the health and welfare of “poor” people.  The exorbitant taxes I pay as a working American go to fund all manner of welfare programs for the working poor and non-working poor alike.  Hell, I even pay for the care & feeding of people in this country illegally.

Try actually using a little “common sense” and a lot less hysterical emotion.  Others might even start to take you seriously.

Common sense, why aren’t we setting up a “Free Fluoride for Those Who WANT It” strategy instead?  It’s more COST-effective.  Does it get the job done?  You bet your sweet bum it does.  Does fluoridating the water put infants at risk?  Uh, just read the back of your toothpaste box, and the answer is right there.  How do you propose we keep fluoride out of an infant’s system when the very water we bathe our babies in contains the stuff?  There is no way to regulate dosage when people drink tap water and use it to bathe.  Give us free FLUORIDATED TOOTHPASTE or FREE FLUORIDE TABLETS, and you’ll see a much better system in place.  It’ll cost less too.  So, do us all a favor, and PUSH THAT IDEA!  If you care about getting fluoride to the needy, get it to the NEEDY!

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