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Skagit PUD balks at carrying fluoride burden

Franny White
Skagit Valley Herald
October 10, 2007 - 01:38 PM


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* Utility says it lacks ‘manpower or time’
* PUD to clarify its position in letter to commissioners at month's end


MOUNT VERNON — Five months after the Skagit County Board of Commissioners ordered the Skagit Public Utilities District to fluoridate its water within a year, the county and PUD have yet to agree on how that will be done.

Stating that the PUD would be busy managing several major projects of its own and hiring a new general manager, then-PUD General Manager Kenneth Kukuk sent the county commissioners a letter in June stating that the PUD “simply does not have the manpower or time” to build fluoridation facilities.

“While the PUD Commissioners are aware of your effort to ensure this project moves forward, it places an undue burden on the PUD to meet any mandate that might be set,” wrote Kukuk, who has since retired and was replaced by Dave Johnson in July.

The end of the same letter indicated that fluoridation facilities would be transferred to the PUD upon their completion. But on Thursday, a sit-down meeting between the PUD and county left that possibility up in the air.

Now Johnson says the three elected members of his Board of Commissioners have yet to decide if the PUD will take ownership of the facilities, which would include fluoridation injection equipment at Judy Reservoir and two tie-ins with the Anacortes water system. As a result of Thursday’s meeting, the PUD plans to send another letter to the county by month’s end that will clarify its position on ownership.

“They don’t want to be responsible for building the infrastructure, for paying for the infrastructure ... ,” said County Administrator Gary Rowe. “The only thing they recognize is that the commissioners have the authority to order the fluoridation, but they haven’t been a willing partner.”

Passed with a 2-1 vote by the county commissioners acting as the county Board of Health, the May resolution mandating fluoridation is subject to the availability of third-party funding. Though the Washington Dental Service Foundation has offered to pay for initial capital costs of approximately $1 million, the PUD is questioning whether it can legally accept money from a private organization.

“I suppose (the PUD has) some reluctance because we don’t want to do anything illegal or that’s not in the interest of our ratepayers,” PUD attorney Peter Gilbert said. Instead, the PUD has proposed that the county accept the foundation’s money.

But Rowe said Skagit County does not want to manage a water system.

“From the county’s perspective, we’re not in the water business,” Rowe said.

Some of the PUD’s resistance may be personal. Rowe said he’d gotten the impression that the PUD was offended by the county’s mandate. In addition, he said the PUD may not support the concept of fluoridation in general. The PUD, however, has long insisted that it neither supports nor opposes fluoridation.

“The PUD has taken a very neutral position toward fluoridation,” Johnson said. “If the county wants the fluoridation to occur, ... then the county can work with the third parties to obtain capital funding ... and manage the project.”

Meanwhile, a May 2008 deadline to begin fluoridation is looming. Per its May resolution, the county can penalize any person or entity $250 per day for stopping fluoridation by that date. But County Commissioner Ken Dahlstedt indicated that was not a preferred route for his board.

“I think the county will work with the PUD,” Dahlstedt said. “We’re certainly not wanting to have one public entity penalizing another.”

The fluoride debate has been a long, contentious one in Skagit County. In June 2005, a group of medical professionals first presented a proposal to fluoridate Skagit PUD’s water. Since then, several passionate public hearings have been held. In November 2006, a nonbinding advisory vote showed that 52 percent of those casting ballots favored fluoride.

* Franny White can be reached at 360-416-2148 or

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Report Violation Posted by Cae  on  October 10, 2007 - 04:03 PM

While the deep pockets of Delta Dental (the backers of Washington Dental Service Foundation) will help front the funds for the forced fluoridation of Skagit’s water supply, the company states right up front they won’t be held responsible for any damage that will result from fluoridation.

Mothers are being warned never to use fluoridated water to bathe their babies or to use in mixing up a bottle of formula, yet the Skagit County commissioners, who mandated our PUD inject fluoride into our water supply, haven’t offered parents any alternatives.

Fluoride is easily available from any dentist for anyone who wants it. There’s no good reason to force the entire population of Skagit County to ingest chemical plant wastes based on flawed science and a rushed decision.

Report Violation Posted by Irtnog  on  October 10, 2007 - 05:07 PM

Good for Skagit PUD.  I hope they keep their necks bowed and tell the County Commissioners to go pound sand.

Report Violation Posted by Lee_USA  on  October 10, 2007 - 05:43 PM

How lucky we Skagitonians are to have some of the cleanest, freshest water in America.  Our PUD is rightly proud of the clean and healthy water they provide for the people of Skagit County.  How difficult is must be to be ordered to contaminate this necessity of life. 

The two men who decided to corrupt our water supply had better go back and do some real research.  They had better find out exactly WHERE the hexafluorosilicic acid used to fluoridate water supplies comes from.  They should also remember that fluoride affects the entire body—every bone, organ and cell—not just the teeth.

Report Violation Posted by Don  on  October 10, 2007 - 06:17 PM

Actually, Mr. Munks and Mr. Dahlstedt had better get ready to pack their bags. Their elected offices were vacated on January 3, 2005, when they failed to have their Oaths of Office and Public Official Bonds filed according to State Law. Their Oaths were not signed until January 10th and their Bonds went unsigned for almost four months past the lawful deadline. Look up RCW 36.16.60 and RCW 42.10.012(6) and then examine the Oaths & Bonds page at the Auditor’s Office web site. The May 15, 2007 fluoridation mandate was unlawful and is unenforceable. These are not simply technicalities. Let the County Commissioners’ Office know that you know these two have held not lawful authority for over two years.

Report Violation Posted by Don  on  October 10, 2007 - 06:20 PM

Typo in last sentence - should be: “held no lawful authority”

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 10, 2007 - 06:20 PM

Yes, PUD has the best tasting water in the country....until they start pulling if from the Skagit next year.  Then folks in Concrete are going to be saying “Flush your toliet, Sedro needs the water”.
Floride was debated 40 years ago .... yawn. I personally don’t believe in the systemic approach, but its not keeping me up nights. 
If you don’t like Floride, what’s stopping you from drilling your own hole (unless you HOA disapproves)?

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 10, 2007 - 06:24 PM

Whoa Don...hold on, let me get my aluminum foil hat.

Report Violation Posted by Don  on  October 10, 2007 - 06:49 PM

Allow me to adjust my previous post… Everyone besides JDubU go research the RCW’s and the Auditor’s web site. Evidently, he hasn’t acquired his GED as yet. Better yet, look at real life case and what happened to a bunch of judges in New York State who failed to file their oaths and bonds properly. It’s no conspiracy, Mr. Troll… It’s Rule of Law: No Oath, No Office
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/122906NoOathNoOffice.html

Report Violation Posted by Jo Roark  on  October 10, 2007 - 07:30 PM

Since it is apparent that the PUD commissioners cannot lawfully accept money from the WDSF, I commend them for standing their ground. It is refreshing when so many politicians think they are above the law and fail to give “We The People” the respect we are entitled to.

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 10, 2007 - 10:14 PM

What does my not having aquired a GED have to do with Flouride in our water?  Why do you make claims, tell us look at some RCW’s and some article from New York. 
Why don’t you give us some proof that they (Munks & Dahlstedt)were in non compliance. 
I’m surprised to didn’t have some hanging chad story.
And why did the Nazi’s bomb Pearl Harbor?

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 10, 2007 - 10:28 PM

Holy Cow, I bet you’re Don Johnson, that guy from the Skagit Clean Water Political Action Committee.
You’ve got way way too much time on your hands.
I’ve read the stuff you send to the prosecutor’s office...ha ha ha ha cough cough.

Report Violation Posted by Jo Roark  on  October 10, 2007 - 11:07 PM

Hey Don,
JDubU doesn’t have a grasp of the fluoride situation, nor does he have a grasp on the situation with the commissioners. Trollers are usually unhappy people looking for any reason to argue.

Report Violation Posted by Don  on  October 11, 2007 - 12:35 AM

Jo,
I had hoped that I was speaking figuratively, but it appears that JDubU is indeed as dumb as a stump or he/she/it works in the Prosecutor’s Office shielding the impostor commissioners. I do not repeat myself to idiots who know as well as anyone else here that the answers to his/her/its “questions” were dropped right in his/her/its lap. There is an old saying: Do not feed the trolls. I think I will heed that advice from here on out. He/she/it can continue to talk to him/her/itself.

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 11, 2007 - 06:51 AM

JoRo..if you read my original post, I don’t believe in a systemic approach to flouride.  Earth to Don, I’m on your side.
But don’t send letters to the Prosecutor’s office telling them they need to take some constitutional law classes.  You only make us look like wacko’s.
I may be a troll, but I’ve got nice teeth. Thank you Mr.Flouride.

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 11, 2007 - 07:07 AM

And don’t you think flouride is the least of your worries in the water.  Lester was fenced off and bulldozed in the 80’s to keep Tacoma’s water source clean.  But up here we’re building a pump to pull right from the Skagit at Sedro?
Think about everytime those CapeHorn’s septic tanks flood.  You’ll be drinking that. Yum! More chorine please!
Yours Trolly
JDubU

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 11, 2007 - 07:28 AM

Anyone who puts forth a dissenting opinion is either told they’re stupid, can’t spell, a troll, or doesn’t quite grasp the situation.  The Communist would put these people in gulags.
Well, I guess I’m not part of the intelligentsia of Skagit County.
I’ll just toil in the fields all day while the smart people sit on top of the Food Co-op and make plans for the great unwashed masses.
Mabye they’ll let me hold a sign on the overpass.

Report Violation Posted by Lee_USA  on  October 11, 2007 - 08:44 AM

I don’t believe in the systemic approach to fluoride either. 

But I also believe making this issue about personalities doesn’t move anything forward.  Debating the ISSUE may gain a solution.

Report Violation Posted by Jo Roark  on  October 11, 2007 - 10:17 AM

There are those that talk about issues and those that take action. Either way, in this country we have the freedom to do either one. I believe we all know about toil and its unreasonable to assume that someones life is easy because they choose to take action. Fluoride promotes health problems over time, its very insidious. The county commissioners have been given ample documentation to back this up. Munks and Dahlstedt have their own agenda and our health is not at the top of the list. Munks and Dahlstedt did not enter into office lawfully, they failed to properly file their oaths and bonds in the “required” time. Dahlstedt took an oath to remain impartial and failed to uphold his oath as early as 2005 when he endorsed water fluoridation. http://www.skagitcleanwater.org

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 11, 2007 - 11:47 AM

Lee...didn’t we vote on this? I don’t think it was binding, but the people spoke and the Commissioners acted. The debate is over.
Buy bottled water.
Have you read the nutty stuff on the SCWPAC website?  I’m not going to align myself with them.

Report Violation Posted by JDubU  on  October 11, 2007 - 12:07 PM

The SkagitCleanwater.org isn’t about clean water...its an anti-fluoride site. If they caried about clean water, there would be other issues discussed.

Report Violation Posted by Lee_USA  on  October 11, 2007 - 12:11 PM

JDubU,

The people did vote....on a very uniformed ballot measure. 

The slick multi-thousand dollar sales pitch mailed out by the Delta Dental group never mentioned the negative health affects that ingesting hexafluorosilicic acid has on the human body.  That hexafluorosilicic acid an industrial waste from chemical factories.  It never mentioned the fact that hexafluorosilicic acid attacks the pineal gland.  Or that fluoride is linked to cancers that target boys.

If the people of Skagit County had know of the factual findings about fluoride, they could have made an educated—and probably different—choice.

Report Violation Posted by Lee_USA  on  October 11, 2007 - 12:16 PM

The debate is far from over.

Working to halt purposefully contaminating our water—the most vital asset any community has—isn’t over because two men made a hasty decision based on funding—not on science.

Report Violation Posted by Irtnog  on  October 11, 2007 - 12:50 PM

People don’t always make intelligent choices in the ballot booth.  Hell, they elected Bill Clinton twice.

Report Violation Posted by Lee_USA  on  October 11, 2007 - 12:57 PM

Irtnog,

As least Clinton WAS elected :-)

The heavy advertisement campaign that pushed fluoridation contamination while avoiding the science surrounding fluoride didn’t serve the Public.

Report Violation Posted by Irtnog  on  October 11, 2007 - 01:17 PM

Yeah, if only we had Al Gore in the Oval Office. :(


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