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Herald Letters to the Editor | April 24

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April 24, 2008 - 08:51 AM


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MV should take eyes off farmland

Regarding the April 19 Skagit Valley Herald article ‘MV eyes farmland for growth’:

Mount Vernon Mayor Bud Norris should reconsider what is in the best interests of his constituents.

All people, including residents of Mount Vernon, need to eat every day. Food comes from farmland. We have high-quality, fertile farmland here in the Skagit Valley. Few communities have such a valuable resource. What makes Mayor Norris think that anything is more valuable to his constituents than food growing nearby?

On Friday, the Seattle Times reported that food prices have risen by 83 percent worldwide in the past three years. People are dying and rioting because food is not available. Locally, some farmers and food producers are experiencing difficulties due to dramatic increases in the prices of flour, animal feed and fuel. Consumers see price increases at the supermarket. Locally, this is a hardship and an inconvenience. Unlike people in Egypt, we still have plenty of food to eat.

As agricultural land and oil resources diminish, our future will be very different from our immediate past. The most important aspects of a community will not be the size of its houses or the dollar value of its industry. Most valuable will be the quality and proximity of food-producing farmland.

Farmland is not “empty” because there is nothing built on it. Farmland is the most productive land of all. It produces the food we need to live. You can’t tear down a mall or a housing development to make a productive farm. Farmland is our most valuable resource, and we must not waste it on “development.” We eat every day. Other than air and water, nothing is more important. 

It is the responsibility of our city officials and county commissioners to preserve our ability to feed ourselves. Please don’t let us down.

Carol Havens
Anacortes



Rossi isn’t what this state needs

Gov. Chris Gregoire has been busy doing the work of the people while Dino Rossi and certain other mean-spirited Republicans have been using the media to spread lies.

Look at her record since being elected. For three years, we’ve seen her taking on challenges and getting results for us. She’s created more than 225,000 new jobs, provided 84,000 more kids with health care coverage and reduced crime. She’s supported improvements in public education and has championed social and economic justice for everyone.

More can be done, but as long as Rossi’s boss is occupying the White House, funding will remain an issue. The $3 trillion illegal war on Iraq will cost every man, woman and child in the U.S. $10,000! Think about the good works that could otherwise be done with that money. We could implement programs to lift the poor out of poverty. All of us could live in economic security.

Rossi’s plan? Keep Bush’s war going. Grant more tax breaks to the super-rich. Privatize roads, schools, public health and other essential mainstays of our commonwealth. He wants huge corporations to cash-in on our public infrastructure.

Isn’t eight years of sinister GOP scheming enough? The U.S. has never been as deeply in debt. More people than ever are having to go without vital necessities.

GOP leadership has given us corruption. There is ample proof that the word “fairness” is missing from its (and Rossi’s) vocabulary. Principled Republicans and Democrats both want justice.

That’s why we’ll re-elect Chris Gregoire in November.

Richard Austin
Mount Vernon

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Report Violation  Posted by xbrettiex  on  April 24, 2008 - 01:52 PM

Carol… I was so excited to see your letter, though I am disappointed that the original article isn’t on GoSkagit. This couldn’t be better said. Skagit Farmland is such a valuable resource for food production it is utterly absurd to suggest that growth need to move into the farmland! This is in a long line of bad calls from the upper echelon of Mount Vernon City Government.

Below all ridiculous ideas supported by Mayor Norris:

*Highway through the Edgewater Park
*Tulip Smokestack looks shabby
*The Historic Lincoln Theatre is surplus property
*Historic downtown, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, basically saying there is no value to a historic downtown.
*Growth demands developing farmland
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 01:27 PM

Re: Richard Austin's letter

My god! What kind of drugs has this man been taking?
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 25, 2008 - 08:25 PM

I don't know, pcNot. What issues does Mr. Austin address that you disagree with, and why?

(I'm expecting either silence, or a non-answer personal attack on me for asking the question. More informative just to say "You're on drugs" eh?)
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 09:19 PM

You sell me short, my friend. Let's take a close look at Mr.Austin's letter.

It gets obvious quickly that he really doesn't want to talk about Rossi at all but simply uses that pretext to launch into yet another of his frequent attacks on the Bush administration. Forget that. Like him or hate him, Bush is old news.

Instead, let's look at the governor. Three years after "winning" a very questionable election, what does her record show? Well, there's taxes. And some more taxes. And some fees. Did I mention tax increases? This is the people's work?
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 09:21 PM

To continue - Where are the 225,000 new jobs? Certainly not in the private sector. Maybe in government? What challenges has she met? Our roads and bridges have been neglected for so long they're all in need of repair or replacement. What sort of leadership rams gas tax hikes through with money earmarked for ferry replacement but three years later has to pull boats out of service permanently because they aren't seaworthy, and no new ones are even on the drawing board?
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 09:30 PM

Education? Well, we have the WASL. And the watered-down WASL. And the You-can-graduate-even-if-you-didn't-pass-it WASL. What a joke.

And even if I wanted to spread the blame to both sides of the aisle, I can't. We haven't had a Republican governor in Washington since Spellman left office in 1984, and the legislature is a solidly Democrat majority year after year.

That's as well-reasoned an answer as I can give you, considering the constraints of this forum. Hope you aren't disappointed.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 25, 2008 - 09:31 PM

What taxes, pcNot?

What would Rossi do for the roads, bridges, ferries, etc., to give you all you'd like with "no new taxes"? Would Rossi, or someone else for that matter, give us everything for nothing? Everything for something? Something for nothing? Or nothing for nothing?

Please, pcNot, expand.
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 09:57 PM

See? I might have known. I give you an answer and you do the same thing you always do, namely ask me to answer the same things again. Fine, I'll do this once, no more.

The taxes are being collected. We had a 5 cent gas tax increase, followed a year later with a three year phased-in 11 or 12 cent gas tax increase. These can only be used for transportation projects. But if you have no plan, if you just sit on the money, the costs of the projects go up. And raising taxes is NOT a plan. Conducting yet another study is NOT a plan. Those things end up becoming an end unto themselves. Can you not see that?
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 10:04 PM

I don't know what Dino Rossi will do. I know he has articulated some plans and that's more than we've heard in a long time. And he would be a much needed change in leadership. I would hope one for the better, but a change never the less. I know you liberals are big on change. Time to poop or vacate the commode.

Question for you to answer: from the original Austin letter, how exactly is President Bush Dino Rossi's boss? That still has me scratching my head. I don't intend to write any more tonight. I'll take your answer, as they say, "Off the air".
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 25, 2008 - 10:08 PM

pcNot - you know I'm not going to settle for incomplete. Okay, there was a phased-in gas tax. Taxes is not a plan, okay. What else was included with the gas tax which amounts to about $17-$60/year per driver, less for those who drive less and drive more economical cars, more for the alternative? Is the gas tax the only thing you're objecting to? How would Rossi or others pay for these road, ferry, bridge, etc. improvements?
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 25, 2008 - 10:23 PM

You've suckered me into another post. I'm not sure what you're after here. I know the sales tax percentage was increased for vehicle purchases, a tonnage fee was imposed on all vehicles except motorhomes (why are they exempt? I have to pay GVW on my Harley for Pete's sake), and I believe drivers licenses went up. What did I miss? Oh, and if you got that rogue DSHS under control, I think you could pave a lot of roads with the savings.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 25, 2008 - 10:47 PM

How is the president a governor's boss. Generally, State Governor's respect Federal laws enacted by the President of the United States. Its covered in Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Take NCLB as an example and how the President's plan became the responsibility of the State (i.e. Governor, ultimately) to implement. Or you can use the National Guard as an example, where the Governor commands his/her state's Guard, yet complies when the President calls the Guard to duty in a Federal role. In those regards, the President is "the boss." Now, if Mr. Austin had something else in mind, well...you'll have to ask him, pcNot. I get the gist of the intentions of his statement.

More specifically, what is Rossi's plan that you agree with, and likewise dispute Mr. Austin's assertions?
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 26, 2008 - 12:34 AM

But Rossi isn't the governor so Bush must be Christine's boss. Unless you're admitting Rossi WAS actually the winner of that election. Austin said, "As long as Rossi's boss is occupying the White House..."
Anyway, I've explained all I'm going to and you're just enjoying wasting my time with your never-ending line of circular questioning while never answering any of mine. You'll find out Rossi's plan come November. BTW - The President doesn't enact laws, Congress does (or the Supreme Court these days). The President merely signs them. But you knew that. Now if you only knew what kind of drugs Austin was taking...
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 26, 2008 - 09:00 AM

I think Mr. Austin is speaking in future tense, as Rossi is campaigning to be the governor and wants Bush to be his "boss". However, the reign of Bush will be over by then, but if Rossi would support Bush-type policies at the state level then essentially Bush would still be his boss in spirit. Sound fun?

Never answered your questions - like what, pcNot. I just wrote a paragraph answering how a President could be considered the Governor's boss.

You say "I know he (Rossi) has articulated some plans", then you say "You'll find out Rossi's plan come November". Why not share now? Therefore I ask again: what is Rossi's plan that you agree with, and likewise dispute Mr. Austin's assertions?
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 26, 2008 - 12:28 PM

Don't forget the hefty increase in all manner of traffic tickets. Not to mention the vast increases in every type of license and permit issued by the State, not only to private citizens but to other governmental agencies.

Each State agency from the State Patrol to the Dept. of Ecology is now in the position of raising their own operating revenue.

Gregoire needs to go and take her leftist, hand-wringing "first gentleman" with her.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 26, 2008 - 08:30 PM

If you don't want a hefty ticket, or any kind of ticket for that matter, don't break the law Irtnog. Is that reasonable? You want to blame the cost of breaking the law on Governor Gregoire? While I have no evidence to suggest that our Governor pursued capitalizing on those who break our state's laws for the benefit of our state, I could imagine that if the Governor made any suggestion of minimizing the punishment faced by those who commit crimes, you'd have a serious issue with that (as would I).
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 27, 2008 - 11:07 AM

As usual you've chosen to respond to one small portion of my post.

What if the Governor & Legislature were to increase the fine for speeding 5 mph over the limit to a million dollars? Would your opinion still be the same? After all, if you drive the speed limit it shouldn't matter, should it?

Every type of license, permit, fine, fee, etc. issued by the State of Washington has increased drastically over the past few years. The State is revenue hungry and if they can't get it one way they'll get it another.
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 27, 2008 - 11:25 AM

tea_time
If you are really interested in out-of- control state government spending, I invite you to go to washingtonpolicy.org and click on 'publications', then 'topic', 'governmental reform', and finally "The Piglet Book". It's a very informative read, totally non-partisan, and assuming you are a taxpayer, if you come away without being outraged to the point of wanting to throttle somebody, there is just no hope that we will ever agree on anything.

Read it and let us know what you think. Or feel, since you are a liberal. Either way.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:01 PM

Irtnog - did you imagine that our police departments have to keep up with inflation, earn their well-deserved raises, pump $3.77/gal. into their vehicles to monitor our neighborhoods, pay for the increased cost of healthcare, food, and other fuels? Where does the money come from if not licenses, permits, fines, fees, etc.? Gasoline prices alone have increased by app. 60%, shouldn't these other costs increase similarly to provide the same services? Or, let me guess, you'd rather have more for less or something for nothing, or something for an extraordinary amount of debt. What fees exactly have increased at a greater rate than inflation? I go back to my earlier statement: if you don't like hefty tickets, don't break the law. Would you rather sympathize with offenders and criminals?
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:15 PM

And I go back to MY earlier statement: "As usual you've chosen to respond to one small portion of my post."

Who in hell is talking about Police Departments?
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:17 PM

"I invite you to go to washingtonpolicy.org and click on 'publications', then 'topic', 'governmental reform', and finally "The Piglet Book". It's a very informative read, totally non-partisan"

Really, pcNot....do you really believe this organization from which you apparently derive a great deal of your information and outrage, is totally non-partisan? Based on what? A quick search on their chairman Greg Porter, vice-chairman, treasurer, and director emeritus suggests otherwise. Check it out and let me know how you derive "non-partisan" aside of the group's website statement.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:18 PM

"Don't forget the hefty increase in all manner of traffic tickets."

"Who in hell is talking about Police Departments?"

You were.
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:20 PM

You really aren't very bright, are you?
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:20 PM

And Irtnog, I hate to tell you, but you only responded to a very small portion of my post.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 27, 2008 - 12:22 PM

OH!! And now the personal attacks and avoidance of the topic. Yes, almost on cue Irtnog!

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