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Herald Letters to the Editor | Feb. 24

Skagit Valley Herald
February 24, 2008 - 10:05 AM


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Time to move on with fluoridation

In 2006, the World Health Organization convened 80 experts from 30 countries to review all the scientific evidence related to community water fluoridation. After a through review, the experts reaffirmed the efficiency, cost-effectiveness and safety of the daily use of optimal fluoride. They declared “universal access to fluoride for dental health is a part of the basic human right to health.”

Scientists and medical and health experts stand firm in their support of water fluoridation. Through the past 60 years, that support has not wavered despite ever-changing, unproven claims by a smattering of persistent opponents.

Magazine articles, unproven assertions and Internet Web sites are not a substitute for peer-reviewed science. Perhaps most telling is that in November 2007, after a through analysis of opponents’ claims and a careful review of the science, Southern California began fluoridating the drinking water of 18 million residents.

As the San Diego Union said in an editorial, “Given fluoridation’s vast record as an easy, cheap way to improve dental health, Green (the leader of the fluoride opposition group) is engaged in outrageous fear-mongering.”

It is time to heed the advice of the experts and the vote of the people in Skagit County and move forward with water fluoridation.

Hal Clure, M.D.
Co-chair, Citizens for a Healthy Skagit
Anacortes



Washington could use a Prop. 13

When the lady wrote about Proposition 13, it tempted me to respond, but I felt that the people of Skagit Valley would realize she had an ax to grind and not pay any attention to her opinion. Since that time, a couple of other people have taken the time to respond.

I also was living in California when Howard Jarvis was able to have Prop. 13 put on the ballot and passed by a very large majority of the voting public. Those, such as the lady, who said that almost all the ills in California could be attributed to Prop. 13 have been proved wrong. The letter writer should take the time to search the Internet, and she would find that her opinion has not stood the test of time.

I will add that you could transfer your Prop. 13 benefits to some of the other counties in California where it was accepted, but not all. Washington state property taxes are now reaching the same level of absurdity that California did when Prop. 13 was put into law. Maybe it’s time for a Washington state Proposition 13.

Gene Ogden
Mount Vernon



Prop. 13 detrimental to education

I don’t know if the writer a few weeks ago had the advantage of an education in California before Prop. 13, but if he/she did there was a great educational system from which he/she benefited. My major education, including a B.A., was in other states, but I did take advantage of the opportunities presented.

Now look at the results: Before Proposition 13, California had one of the best educational systems in the country and now has one of the worst. There were probably other detrimental consequences with which I am not familiar.

Unfortunately, I voted for Proposition 13 in California. Property values were rising rapidly and it seemed like we wouldn’t be able to retain our residence. A large part of this was ignorance on our part. Actual taxes are a combination of property assessment and tax rate on that property.

Although we had college degrees, we still failed to take the latter into account. Actual taxes would probably not have increased that much. No one seemed willing or able to explain this to voters. Maybe we were just not listening to the right people! We certainly didn’t take the time to investigate.

We elect representatives to make decisions for us. Part of their job is to determine the consequences of laws that are passed. That is one of the reasons we have representative government instead of having citizens vote on every law. If our elected representatives don’t serve our interests, they can be voted out of office, and more suitable laws and regulations can be instituted.

Most voters in Washington will not be informed about unintended consequences that could occur if we approve a similar proposition. Propositions are very hard to amend or repeal and can be damaging for many years.

Lawrence L. Maddox
Burlington



Ballot was not user friendly

Re: Rejected ballots (SVH Feb. 18):

I agree with Gladys Hinshaw that ballots could have been better designed. The instruction sheet did not add any information to that on the ballot. It simply said to sign “the declaration” on the return envelope. It did not instruct us to select party affiliation, which I almost missed on the ballot because of the way it was arranged. It was not very user friendly.

News items did not warn us about the necessity of signing party affiliation to have our votes counted. Just the opposite. No instructions on what to do if we were independent of either party. Such confusion might teach some of us that honesty doesn’t pay.

Please make instructions complete and clear, and make ballots neat.

Ruth Thomas
Mount Vernon

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Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  February 24, 2008 - 05:15 PM

“...universal access to fluoride for dental health is a part of the basic human right to health.”

People being forced to ingest medication against their will is a "basic human right?"

Sounds like George Orwell's "newspeak."
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  February 24, 2008 - 08:25 PM

Dr. Clure - it seems the only citation regarding "water fluoridation" is yours.

No one is arguing that daily fluoride is beneficial, or that it shouldn't be readily available to all. But it is, namely "Colgate", "Crest", etc. But people make their own choice when picking up one of those containers. They don't so much make that same choice when needing a glass of water to drink. “Universal access to fluoride for dental health is a part of the basic human right to health.” Okay, but it has to be placed in the drinking water? That equates to forced medical treatment. Are you going to be the prescribing doctor for the PUD, accountable for the effects of the additive on all your "patients" of Skagit County?

With this, I totally agree with Irtnog (don't faint Irt).
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  February 25, 2008 - 09:41 AM

Right on, Irtie and tea_time. Universal access is wonderful, but there is a HUGE difference between universal access and mandatory. Give out free toothpaste (a method proven to be more "safe and effective" than adding fluoride to the water supply by any counts). Free fluoride to those who want it will COST LESS and retain the people's right to refuse forced medication. This answer is so obvious I can't believe people are still going on about forcing fluoride on a community where only half even want it!
Report Violation  Posted by Don Johnson  on  February 25, 2008 - 09:22 PM

Thanks to Mr. Clure for another scripted letter. As a person whose educational background is based in hard science, I find amusing his suggestion that the so-called “peer-review” system is somehow sacred and ultimately dependable. Its only real purpose is to maintain a status quo, where one member of this closed club scratches another’s back so that industry lobbyists keep smiling and jobs within that circle remain secure. If I hear “safe and effective” one more time, I’ll retreat to a corner and retch. Endorsements do not qualify as valid arguments, Mr. Clure. The time has long since come and gone for pro-fluoridationists to cough up the double-blinded studies that demonstrate the efficacy of fluoride in the prevention of dental caries. Unfortunately for them, none exist.
Report Violation  Posted by Don Johnson  on  February 25, 2008 - 09:23 PM

(continued from above) See http://nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm . Clure’s statement that Southern California began fluoridation only “after a through analysis of opponents’ claims and a careful review of the science” flies in the face of reality. The truth is officials ignored warnings from both the NRC and the ADA that infants and children less than two years old may be overexposed to fluoride because they consume more water than adults, relative to their size. (continued below)
Report Violation  Posted by Don Johnson  on  February 25, 2008 - 09:24 PM

Even more appalling was their total disregard of risk assessments presented at a Metropolitan Water District public hearing by David Kennedy, DDS (past president of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology) and Kathleen Thiessen, PhD (NRC panel member). See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DTQlflYHnY . I agree with Clure that it would be wise for us to now “heed the advice of the experts.” Sadly for him, neither he nor any of his associates are among them. In The Argus (5/23/07), County Health Officer Howard Leibrand told a reporter that only fear and personal beliefs are fueling groups who link fluoridation to Alzheimer's disease, cancer, osteoporosis, autism and hypothyroidism. “There is absolutely no scientific evidence of serious problems,” he quipped.
Report Violation  Posted by Don Johnson  on  February 25, 2008 - 09:24 PM

(continued from above) Apparently, Leibrand slept through the history section of medical school. Otherwise, he would know that fluoride compounds were the standard treatment for HYPERthyroidism in Europe until the 1950’s and that the fabled “optimal” level used to fluoride water exceeds the dose known to depress the thyroid gland. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to follow the logic and comprehend the implications for people whose thyroid levels are “normal” and for those who already suffer from subclinical HYPOthyroidism. Since the effects of ingested fluoride are cumulative, the sick become even more sick over time. Is it any wonder that by 2000, Synthroid was the third most prescribed drug in the U.S.? Sixty years of water fluoridation seems to have taken its toll.
Report Violation  Posted by Don Johnson  on  February 25, 2008 - 09:26 PM

(continued from above) As for fear mongering, first place goes to the pro-fluoridation camp for its bizarre claim that tooth decay is an “infectious, contagious disease.” Dishonorable mention is awarded to the Prosecutor’s Office for allowing this rubbish to be used in drafting the unlawful fluoridation mandate. So, if it’s not medical science or public health, then who or what is giving “Healthy Skagit” its marching orders and driving this lavishly funded campaign to fluoridate our drinking water? From what I can gather, the Washington Dental Service Foundation has claimed us all as property for use in its corporate giving programs. See http://www.skagitcleanwater.org/fluoride-101/gih-tracy-garland.html . The truth is uncovered and summarized in the final paragraph.
Report Violation  Posted by LaneW  on  February 26, 2008 - 09:44 PM

Hal, you need to go to
http://www.iceh.org/pdfs/LDDI/LDDIStatement.pdf
Developed by the Collaborative on Health and the Environment’s
Learning and Developmental Disabilities Initiative
November 7, 2007
"It is not clear that the benefits of adding fluoride to drinking water outweigh risks of neurodevelopment or other effects such as dental fluorosis"
Report Violation  Posted by LaneW  on  February 26, 2008 - 09:49 PM

Hal,
Oh by the way, it has been peer reviewed by

Scientific Review Committee:
David C. Bellinger, PhD, MSc, Harvard Medical School
Lynn R. Goldman, MD, MPH, Johns Hopkins University, Bloomberg School of Public Health
Philippe Grandjean, MD, Harvard School of Public Health
Martha Reed Herbert, MD, PhD, Massachusetts General Hospital
Philip J. Landrigan, MD, MSc, Mount Sinai School of Medicine
Bruce P. Lanphear, MD, MPH, University of Cincinnati
Barbara McElgunn, RN, Learning Disabilities Association of Canada
John Peterson Myers, PhD, Environmental Health Sciences
Isaac Pessah, PhD, University of California, Davis
Ted Schettler, MD, MPH, Science and Environmental Health Network
Bernard Weiss, PhD, University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry
Report Violation  Posted by LaneW  on  February 26, 2008 - 09:49 PM

and the rest,
Other Reviewers:
Aimee Boulanger, Institute for Children’s Environmental Health
Sean Foley, Toxipedia, Institute of Neurotoxicology and Neurological Disorders
Elise Miller, MEd, Institute for Children’s Environmental Health and the Collaborative on
Health and the Environment’s Learning and Developmental Disabilities Initiative
Nancy Snow, MS, Institute for Children’s Environmental Health
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  February 27, 2008 - 09:22 AM

Good work, LaneW. You really know what you're talking about. :)

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