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SATURDAY SOAPBOX | Herald Letters to the Editor | April 5

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April 05, 2008 - 07:10 AM


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Relationship philosophy cracked

This is in response to Mr. Smith’s March 29 letter:

How telling that an intensive study of “personality and marriage,” conducted by an embittered male divorcé, would yield conclusions such as this little gem: women, busied by “hair appointments, socials” and other “deviatory” activities, drive their husbands to “sexual starvation.”

And how predictable that the author of such a study would then extrapolate that the reason why wives stand by their scandal-ridden husbands is because they feel guilty about their own deviations.

First off, universalizing either gender in such terms is never prudent because such “conclusions” are invariably erroneous. Second, trivializing (and falsely representing) women’s lives and relegating their existence to sexual objects by saying that their husbands married them purely for sex is a reflection of an uninformed and inhumane gender paradigm.

Statements like Mr. Smith’s are atrociously degrading to all women on the face of the Earth. Furthermore, he managed to portray men as Neanderthal lechers who are motivated chiefly by their carnal instincts and who are incapable of taking responsibility for their own immoral actions.

Though it may be too late for those who have subscribed to Mr. Smith’s marriage and/or relationship philosophy, I would hope that my generation continues to discern the ridiculousness of such antiquated notions that have long since been debunked.

P.S.: Women who are forced to work in prostitution do not “thrive” — just like other sexually abused, exploited and ruthlessly demeaned human beings around the world do not thrive. Perhaps what is thriving is the number of men financing the ultimate degradation of women and children via the sex industry.

Kirsten White
Mount Vernon



Cow died from eating broken glass

We lost a pretty little heifer yesterday. Her belly swelled from internal bleeding and her mouth was cut up. She had eaten glass from a broken beer bottle in her pasture.

Every day, passing cars dispose of their “open containers” by throwing them out of the window. We try to keep the glass picked up but can’t always find it all. You might think that cows are pretty dumb to eat broken glass hidden in the grass, but, in my opinion, the guy who threw the bottle into the pasture in the first place was the idiot.

So for those of you who drink and drive and need to dispose of the evidence, please consider the collateral damage to livestock, and find another solution. It’s not that difficult; you only need to be smarter than the cows. Thank you.

Mindy Coslor
Sedro Woolley



Bush, Ho Chi Minh commonalities

Any commander in chief who authorizes torture should be immediately impeached. Many of us vowed to never be taken prisoner if we were shot down during our 100-mission tour over North Vietnam. We decided that we would rather die than be treated like a terrorist and tortured by the enemy.

I fought for our country for 25 years to ensure our freedoms, and many of my fellow fighter pilots paid the ultimate price for this freedom. Now, we have an administration that condones torture and spies on Americans. Our military combatants have been abused in Iraq and now they have a president who advocates the use of torture.

Lt. Bush avoided combat by hiding behind his family name and connections in Texas — never had to worry about torture. Now, Bush is further abusing our military combatants, as the enemy will have no qualms about returning his torture methods.

It is difficult to distinguish the difference between Bush and Ho Chi Minh when it comes to torture and abuse of the military.

Lt. Col. Val Ross Johnson, USAF (Ret.)
Anacortes



World nearing a new beginning

In my understanding, our world is in an ending which is also a beginning, and has been for several years — the first of its kind since it all began.

This ending and beginning are taking place simultaneously, planetarily and interwovenly.

I sense that the beginning is commencing to emerge out of the ending (which we are reading and hearing about daily), so that the former will become more obvious with time by way of this sign and that — taking us toward peace on earth, while the events of the latter will cease to occur.

This is, without doubt, the most interesting time to be alive.

Leland Mellott
Mount Vernon



Iraq war unleashed devastation

Politicians and pundits continually talk about the war in Iraq in terms of America winning or America losing. Isn’t it at least a bit sickening to speak of an invasion that has caused the death of as many as 1.2 million Iraqis as if it were a sporting event?

In 2006, a study by John Hopkins researchers indicated that more than 600,000 had died due to the war at that time. Since then, studies by Iraqi researchers and the prestigious British polling firm Opinion Research Business have concluded that between 1 million and 1.2 million Iraqis have perished due to the war and the resulting Sunni-Shiite violence. These studies are ignored by our media and dismissed by our politicians. We deny the facts to calm our consciences.

But if we continue to view the war and the death of such a massive amount of innocents in a simple-minded and self-absorbed manner more suited to a baseball exhibition game or a scratch-off lottery ticket, we will not bring anything productive to Iraq; we will never, ever do anything good in this country in which we have unleashed such unthinkable devastation.

Bob Hicks
Clearlake



Liberals’ chickens home to roost

Observing the chaos on the political landscape and the unraveling of the liberals, there is only one conclusion to this mess: Their chickens have come home to roost.

Gary Helm
Burlington



Warming? Who are you kidding?

Fellow Skagitonians, take note.

Divine Revelation has settled it, with this week’s unusually cold weather and late snows! Clearly, this proves that they were dead wrong — those arrogant scientists, secular humanists, pesky evolutionists, Al Gore and his liberal Democrats, and others of that troublesome and fear-mongering ilk — about their pernicious myth of global warming and climate change.

At last, we have some solid and persuasive evidence to settle the argument and end the debate.

Bill Burley
Mount Vernon



We agree on concept of choice

Regarding Martha Williamson’s March 29 letter: Now I get it. We do agree on the concept that we have a choice — “chance to either believe or not.” It’s what we attribute that choice to that we differ on.

You presume that choice is given exclusively by your god; a deity of a belief system which is most often perpetuated through impression upon the psyche of a defenseless infant. While I attribute that choice to my own natural ability to think, free to include or discard the influence of superstition, free to consider all that may be within as well as beyond the confines of your Bible.

You do realize that I have read John 3:16-18, right? You included it in one of your previous redundant letters. And it’s not too hard to find such information, as the dogma of Christianity litter all of American society and can easily be stumbled upon throughout the Internet.

However, if you have just a wee dash of that John 3:16-18 left over, why not give ’er one more shot, Martha? As they say, the third time’s a charm. Who knows, you may just be successful in pulling me into the mental confines of your Bible after all.

If and when you do succeed in your effort, I’ll be sure to announce my born-again status right here in this Saturday Soapbox forum, though I’ll recommend you not hold your breath on that one.

Patrick K. Goff
Sedro-Woolley



Warming doomsayers are lying

We face an economic disaster that could be worse than any most of us have ever seen. The cost of food has doubled or more because we’re converting food stock into a horrible substitute for gasoline. By now you should know how insane this has become.

For years, the environmentalists and assorted others have caused endless destruction in our lives. Today, it appears they have control of our lives as never before. Let’s review this global nonsense with the Kyoto Protocol, made up of subscribing nations that shut out those with far different views.

For almost eight years, Bush has been the butt of snide comments for not signing this notorious accord, comments which ignore the fact that Clinton refused to sign, too. Ninety-five senators also said no. Bit by bit, the fright freaks have won over the minds of those who will fall for anything.

Last year, one of the few who still had a clue, Bush, caved in, too. This crowd also got a slim majority of the not-so-supremes of the court to list CO2 as a dangerous pollutant. Saner minds today said, “Hey, not so fast. There simply isn’t enough evidence, and lots of questions, not to mention the radical ruin of our economy.”

Have you any idea what this idiotic act means for all but those who are getting rich? Make no mistake, too many today don’t care a whit about the results to America and, yes, the world.

If you don’t know squat about this disaster in the making, find out all you can about carbon dioxide.You can’t live without it; it is essential to every living thing. If you have a speck of good sense, you can know this is a deliberate lie and scam.

John Hammons
Anacortes



Wackos destroying Dem Party

Somebody throw my old pal Tom Montgomery a life preserver. His party is disintegrating so fast that he’s thrown himself into a self-created sea of fantasy, as illustrated by his March 29 Saturday Soapbox letter. He doesn’t swim so well there.

His fantasy conversation between Karl Rove and President Bush was cute but completely devoid of the intelligence he usually uses in his letters. Let’s nurse him back to reality.

 Social Security was doomed the day it was created and started it’s final death spasms the day the babies boomed. That was long before either of the Bushes (or Clintons) arrived.

 If anyone sent Fox News a copy of the ranting Rev. Wright, it was Hillary, not Karl.

 This sleazy attempt to discredit John McCain’s war record shows obvious desperation in the leftist camp. Only the lowliest liberal wacko would suggest that having a father and grandfather as admirals was anything other than a huge honor.

Of course, Mr. Montgomery’s letter was a fantasy conversation between two men he considers evil, so he can make these sleazy accusations and still pass himself off as an honorable American patriot.

Somebody tell me, what was wrong with Joseph Biden? I’ll answer that. He had no act for the wacko circus. He isn’t black. He isn’t a woman. And he isn’t gay. All the Democrats needed to do to take the White House was to get Joe to announce that he was secretly a gay atheist with socialistic tendencies, and bang, Hillary/Obama never happened.

I would have voted for Joseph Biden simply because he could have been smart enough to tell the liberal nuts what they need to hear, to get them to do what we need them to do.

That’s reality. Welcome back, Tom.

Jerry Hansen
Burlington



Three-strikes law nabs wrong folks

Back in 2001, the Washington Sentencing Guidelines Commission had recommended removing second-degree robbery and some forms of second-degree assault from the list of offenses that trigger life imprisonment under the harsh three-strikes law. To date, nothing has been done. These offenses are the most common causes of life imprisonment under this law.

The voters approved of this law in 1993 after being told that “by aiming at three-time violent offenders, (it) targets the ‘worst of the worst’ criminals.” Now very few people would consider second-degree robbery or assault as the “worst of the worst” crimes. Those guilty of horrendous crimes are serving this same sentence and surely this punishment was meant for them, the truly “worst of the worst.”

How can we condone incarcerating people for life for low-level offenses? How can we condone the expenditure of $1 million in tax dollars for each of these life sentences?

Cheryl Onstad
Anacortes



Vehicle accidents change lives

Four years ago, my son was involved in a car accident. A young girl ran a stop sign, and he hit her. Not only was this accident her fault, she was under-insured.

She was not injured but my son suffered a significant neck injury, which eventually resulted in having to have two surgeries. This accident has affected his life negatively in almost every single way — physically, emotionally, financially, work-wise, hobbies, you name it.

Here’s my point. In the past 10 days, I have seen four people run stop signs and three people run red lights. Here’s the best example: I am driving the first car sitting at a red light in the intersection. The car behind me pulls into the left-turn lane, runs the red light and makes a right turn in front of me.

I am asking people to stop and think. Do you want to change someone’s life forever because you can’t be bothered to stop or obey a simple traffic law? These little antics and shenanigans really aren’t cute and can have devastating consequences.

Gerine Voegtlin
Mount Vernon

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Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 12, 2008 - 08:42 AM

Is this question goading: What issues does he (Lt. Col. Johnson) highlight to cause such a response? What issues does he point to that you disagree with, and what facts are you aware of that causes you to disagree? You bring up Bush and "war criminal", why do you say he is not a war criminal and just a victim of bad judgment. Maybe if you'd be willing to share you answers to these questions, we could all "see the light" like you.
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 12, 2008 - 11:16 PM

OK, Mary, last dance. Johnson has no facts, he has opinions. I disagree with them. I have opinions which I try to back up with what knowledge I have. You disagree with them. That's life.
It isn't enough to say George Bush is a war criminal, it takes hard evidence to prove it. Johnson doesn't have it and neither do you. It doesn't fall to me to prove that he isn't. And I said Bush may be guilty of bad judgment - I never said he was a victim of anything.
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 12, 2008 - 11:26 PM

tea_time, you seem to be an avid reader of the Herald and perhaps you look at the Anacortes American as well. If so, you are aware that Johnson is a frequent letter writer and has, or wants us to believe he has, a huge load of guilt over dropping bombs on little brown people from 30,000 feet. So I would still like an answer to my earlier question. Does pension trump principle? I think it's a legitimate thing to ask.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 13, 2008 - 08:16 AM

The first dance hasn't even begun! Nonetheless, "I have opinions which I try to back up with what knowledge I have." First, I haven't seen that you've tried to back up anything, which I was hoping you would hence the questions which remain unanswered. Secondly, what's wrong with attempting to expand your knowledge, because who knows, a well-decorated retired veteran just may know something you don't.

The last dance I believe is this, "..dropping bombs on little brown people.." Wow...okay, enough pcNot. You've left quite the mark here on goskagit.com.
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 13, 2008 - 12:11 PM

That's the second time you've used the term "well-decorated" to describe your hero Mr. Johnson. Don't leave us in suspense, TT, please post his list of decorations. Or are you just talking out your posterior?
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 13, 2008 - 12:23 PM

"please post his list of decorations"

A list of possibilities and probabilities: Meritorious service medals, probably 2 or 3, Air Force commendation medals, Legion of Merit medals, National Defense service medals, a couple probably, campaign awards such as Desert Storm, etc., good conduct medals if previously enlisted, possibly an Air Force Cross, several unit awards - a combination of any/all of these decorations would be likely with a retired Lt. Col. Do you know a retired military officer who was not well-decorated?
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 13, 2008 - 07:18 PM

"...possibilities and probabilities..."

Just as I thought. You know nothing.
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 13, 2008 - 07:39 PM

True. He probably was advanced to and retired as a Lt. Col. with no decorations whatsoever. <<roll eyes>> That's much more possible/probable.
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 13, 2008 - 07:40 PM

tea_bag: You take offense at my reference to little brown people but apparently not to dropping bombs on them. And once again you have ignored my question about principles. I will take this to mean you have no idea what principles are (hint - they aren't talking points).
So, yes, the dance is over and your toes have been duly stepped on. Another time, perhaps.
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 13, 2008 - 07:43 PM

Just another example of you talking out your sphincter, TT.
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 13, 2008 - 07:51 PM

pcNOT, no, you're definitely second fiddlin to Irtie. When it comes to being obnoxious, he's got you licked. Although I can see you're taking that challenge to heart. :)

Here's the lowdown: tea_time is not going to agree with you, you are not going to agree with tea_time. Nothing will change either of your minds, and simply repeating the "No, YOU'RE wrong" starts getting rather old after the fifth time.
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 13, 2008 - 07:54 PM

I am totally willing to listen to the experience of someone who has been there. I understand both you and Irtnog are veterans. Thus, your opinions are valuable in issues like this. So is Mr. Johnson's, even if you don't agree. He represents the other side of the same coin, you see? Neither of you is right as a whole. The important thing, however, is that Mr. Johnson is sparking important and probing thoughts. Your stance really only encourages complacency. This is not really your fault, it's just the nature of the issue. One side says change needs to happen, so the other side MUST say "stay the course." Regardless, in this instance, change DOES need to happen. Things are NOT going well, and continuing the same course will not improve matters. Do you understand?
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 13, 2008 - 08:06 PM

shrug - you got the second part right, I'll agree with you on that. However, I am thinking of challenging Irtnog to a duel. Would somebody cue the Ennio Morricone music, please?
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 13, 2008 - 08:37 PM

The problem, shrug, is I don't know what Irtnog or pcNot agree with and what they don't. I've asked to try to clarify, but aside of responding with name calling and the occasional baseless rhetoric, they haven't said a whole heck of a lot. <<shrug shoulders>>
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 13, 2008 - 08:54 PM

Oh, pcNOT! A duel would be AWESOME!!! XD

tea_time, I've heard from both Irtnog and pcNOT about their service to our country on other forums, so I've gathered a bit of what they agree with and what they don't. Considering they both find a joy in being a pest (and to be honest, so do I sometimes), so that's probably why they aren't answering. But they might make themselves more clear on what they agree/disagree with if we ask nicely. Whaddaya say, guys? Could you please answer some of tea_time's questions? We would all like to hear the answers (and not necessarily so we can make jabs at you for them. You've got avid listeners here. :)
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 13, 2008 - 09:50 PM

Well, if they have served their country, and I don't doubt that they have, then they surely know a Lt. Col. is well-decorated without having to ask, doubt, call names, etc., wouldn't you think?
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 14, 2008 - 09:35 AM

Well, you're making a very good point, tea_time, but I can understand the desire to undermine the credibility of one who represents the other side of one's arguments. I think it's more respectable not to, but I do understand that it's something most of us do at one point or another. So, basically, I agree with you, but I wouldn't expect that to change.
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 14, 2008 - 09:45 AM

You two can't both be this dumb. The credibility being undermined was that of TeeTyme. Spouting off about the "well decorated" Mr. Johnson when he/she hadn't a clue about his "decorations." Then he/she comes back with the "possible/probable" line of crap. The only reason I made a point of it was to show that ol' TT had no idea what decorations, if any, Mr. Johnson had been awarded. Nothing but typical liberal-speak.

Now, TT, tell us about the time you had to run across a Bosnian airstrip while under heavy sniper fire.
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 14, 2008 - 01:07 PM

Ah, but Irtnog, I think you're missing half the argument! I concede that saying someone is "well decorated" when that fact in unknown is folly, however you have taken up the exact opposite line, implying that Mr. Johnson must NOT be "well decorated" since tea_time said he IS. The honest truth is that we don't know what decorations Mr. Johnson has, so none of us can answer that question. Basically, tea_time is giving Mr. Johnson MORE credit than we know for certain he has, and you are giving him LESS credit than we know for certain he has. And if you will take a second look at my post above, you will see that I am actually crediting you with some fancy debating footwork. Don't make me a liar, Irtie. :)
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 14, 2008 - 01:12 PM

Dear Cluelesh in Skagit County,

You wouldn't know a decorated veteran from a deshecrated veterinarian. Wake up and schmell the coffee.

(signed) Abby.
Report Violation  Posted by pcNOT!  on  April 14, 2008 - 01:14 PM

Dear Irtnog'

They LIKE you! They REALLY, REALLY like you!.

(signed) Sally
Report Violation  Posted by Irtnog  on  April 14, 2008 - 01:24 PM

And my mom thought I'd never have any friends. :) :)

And shrug: Wrong again. I never suggested he had no "decorations." But since I knew TT was clueless about them, even though he/she/it spoke of them with familiarity, I called for a list just to show how full of crap he/she/it really was.
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 14, 2008 - 01:49 PM

Irtnog, okay, I can jive with that. I may have read the negativity in your tone to tea_time as being directed toward Mr. Johnson. Based on what I've read from you, I've noticed you do tend to give respect to veterans even if you disagree with them. pcNOT does not seem to share that trait, but maybe I am wrong on that front.
Report Violation  Posted by *shrug*  on  April 14, 2008 - 01:52 PM

pcNOT, you're sho funny! Har-dee-har-har! Although, it sounds like you could use some help with your dancing skills (since you claim to have stepped all over tea_time's toes). I have just one question for you: Do you like brownies?
Report Violation  Posted by tea_time  on  April 14, 2008 - 05:02 PM

I see pcNot and Irtnog have nothing of substance, no responses to questions of their knowledge of points they take issue with (the non-answer is an answer in itself), so instead they hinge an argument on "well-decorated." Well, like I said, to even become a Lt. Col. would be equivalent to receiving numerous awards/recognitions. "Well-decorated" simply comes with the territory, like saying an M.D. has "extensive college education."

Ahh...well...one more time, and again the non-answer or spinning away from an answer IS an answer in itself. What issues does he, Lt. Col. Johnson, point to that you disagree with, and what facts are you aware of that causes you to disagree?

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